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Where can I search?
« on: Friday 15 August 08 12:20 BST (UK) »


I posted this thread a while ago and have got no further despite the suggestions contained in the post....

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,213759.0.html

I am wondering if anyone has any other ideas. For instance if I looked at Naturalisation records in the US would they contain information about birthplace etc to help me to pin down the right people? Passenger lists are no help and without knowing when they emigrated or where to I'm stymied!
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Evans - Merionethshire
Turnell - Northamptonshire
Jones - Glamorgan
Wood - Nova Scotia, Mass, USA
Booth - Aus
Francis - Carmarthen
Griffiths - Glamorgan and Llanelli
Morgan - Llanelly, Pontardulais
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 August 08 13:32 BST (UK) »

Maybe someone else has more experience in that area, but, unless the records happen to be online, I think you'd need to know where they were naturalized to order those records.  Footnote.com has some naturalization records.  Although it's a subscription site, you can search the records and sort of peak at the records to see if they might be the right one. 
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 August 08 15:52 BST (UK) »

Below is a copy of the first papers and the petition for naturalization of someone that I am researching.  As you will see, it doesn't give much more information than the name, date and place of birth.  This particular individual happened to be Jewish and his naturalization papers were in the name of his "familiar or nickname".  I was able to locate these papers from a passport application of one of his sons who gave the name of his father and his "alias" name.

Hope this helps.----Genealiza



Petition for Naturalization:
Now comes  NAME of PERSON   and respectfully represents to the court that he is an alien, and a subject of the Alexander III Czar; that he was born on or about the 16 day of April 1849, at the town of Kowmo in Russia; that he first arrived in the United States on or about the 8 day of Oct 1888; that on or about the 13 day of Nov 1891 he duly declared his intention to become a citizen of the United States of America, the certificate of such declaration being hereto attached, marked Exhibit "A," and made a part hereof; that he has never borne any hereditary title, or been of any of the orders of nobility in the........... from which he came; that he has never been confined in any penal institution of this state, or any of the United States, under sentence of any court therein; that he is a man of good moral character, attached to the principles of the constitution of the United States, and well disposed to the good order and happiness of the same; that he is by occupation a  OCCUPATION and now resides  CITY and COUNTY,  Ohio.

Wherefore, your petitioner prays, that on the final hearing of this petition he may be admitted to all the rights and privileges of a naturalized citizen of the United States.
                     
                                    NAME .....Petitioner

THE STATE OF OHIO,          I,      NAME     being duly sworn accoring to law say, that the facts stated, and allegations contained in my foregoing petition are true as I verily believe, and I solemnly swear that I will support the constitution of the United States, and that I absolutely and entirely renounce and adjure all allegiance and fidelity to every foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty; and particularly to Alexander III Czar of whom I was before a former subject, so help me God.       NAME

Sworn to before me and subscribed in my presence, by the said   NAME   this 24 day of Oct 1894
                                                                 NAME
County in Ohio, ss.


First Papers
EXHIBIT "A"
The United States of America,                        IN THE COURT OF COMMON PLEAS
The State of Ohio,                                                     No.------
NAME OF County,ss.                                             DECLARATION,

In the matter of the Declaration of
NAME
to become a Citizen of the United States

I     NAME  an alien, and a native of Russia, being duly sworn according to law, declare and say, that I first arrived in the United States on the 8th day of October A.D. 1888; that it is bona fide my intention to become a citizen of the United States, and to renounce forever all allegiance and fidelity to any Foreign Prince, Potentate, State or Sovereignty, whatever, and particularly all alledgiance and fidelity to Alexander III, Emperor of whom I am a subject, so help me God.
                                                                        NAME
Sworn to before me, and subscribed in my presence, this 13th day of November 1891
                                                                NAME of DeputyClerk

THE STATE OF OHIO,
NAME OF County, ss.

I, NAME, Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas, within and for said county, and in whose custody the files, journals and records of said court are required by the laws of the State of Ohio to be kept, hereby certify that the foregoing copy is taken and copied from the original declaration in the above entitled case, now on file in the office of the Clerk of the Court of Common Pleas, within and for said NAME OF  county, and that said foregoing copy has been compared by me with said original declaration, and that the same is a correct transcript thereof.

In Testimony Whereof, I hereunto subscribe my name officially, and affix the seal of said court, at the court house in the city of --------, in said county, this thirteenth day of November A.D. 1891
                                                             NAME OF Clerk,
                                                       By  NAME OF Deputy Clerk
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 August 08 21:54 BST (UK) »

Could this be your Kenneth?

1900 Massachusetts, Worcester, Fitchburg
Kenneth McKenzie, b. Nov 1858 (I took the year from
           succeeding census data as the one I have for 1900 is
           unreadable),b. Scotland,  marr 12 yrs, works in a
           cotton mill, says he immigrated in 1881, NA in 1995
           (probably 1895)
Sarah, b. Mar 1865, b. Scotland immigrated in 1885 Na in
           1995 (probably 1895)
Alexander, b. Dec 1888, 11, b. Rhode Island
Margaret, b. Dec 1890, 9, b. Rhode Island
Annie, b. Oct 1892, 7, b. Rhode Island
Kenneth, b. Jany 1895, 5, b. Rhode Island
Sadie, b. Mar 1897, 3, b. Mass.
Thomas, b. May 1899, 1, b. Mass

In 1910 and 1920 most of the family is in Collins District, Fulton County, Georgia.  He is still with a cotton mill.
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:17 BST (UK) »

OMG!! Genealiza I must show this to my brother! Kenneth was born in Nov 1858 and I can't find him in Scotland after 1871. You may just have locaed him. Thank you so much. I will let you know what we turn up as I can now search this marriage and hopefully get parents names.
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Jones - Denbighshire
McCormack/McLoughlin - Liverpool
McKenzie - Liverpool/Lanarkshire/ Aus/USA/NZ
Evans - Merionethshire
Turnell - Northamptonshire
Jones - Glamorgan
Wood - Nova Scotia, Mass, USA
Booth - Aus
Francis - Carmarthen
Griffiths - Glamorgan and Llanelli
Morgan - Llanelly, Pontardulais
Williams - Llanelly
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:26 BST (UK) »

And here is a possible Alexander who also immigrated in 1881:

1900 Massachusetts, Berkshire, North Adams
Alexander McKenzie, b. May 1864, 36, marr 0 yrs (Marriage
                    2 per later census), b. Scot, immigrated 1881,
                    NA (1892 per 1920 census),  foreman Dyer
                    Calico Mill(?)
Addis, wife, b. Feby 1873, 27, marr 0 yrs, moth of 1 child, 1
                    child living, b. Rhode Island
Annie, dau, b. Nov 1886, 13, b. Mass
Mable, dau, b. Dec 1888, 11, b. Mass
Charles, son, b. May 1895, 5, b. Mass
Grace Chapman, step dau, b. Nov 1890, 9, b. Mass


Hope the Kenneth is yours.  I'm not having much luck with William.  Can you give the birth months of the boys?
--Genealiza
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:00 BST (UK) »

The above Mable, dau of Alexander, is listed in the graduating class of 1907 for Drury High School, North Adams, Berkshire, Mass. as Mable Adelaide McKenzie.
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:10 BST (UK) »

If that Alexander is right, you can search Massachusetts records up to 1910 here:  http://www.sec.state.ma.us/vitalrecordssearch/VitalRecordsSearch.aspx  There's a birth for a Charles Kenneth McKenzie in 1895 in North Adams.  There's a Mabel Adelaide McKenzie born 1888 in Methuen.  There's a marriage for Alexander McKenzie in North Adams for 1899, and there's an entry for Adaline (Udell) Chapman on the same page.

The 1910 North Adams city directory lists McKenzie, Alexander H. who works for A.P.W. (not sure what that stands for - possibly Arnold Print Works) and lives at 17 North, along with McKenzie, Mabel, student.  In the 1911 directory, Alexander is at the same job and location, Mabel is a teacher, and there's a Kenneth McKenzie who is retired and living with them.  There's also a William McKenzie listed, who is working as a twister and living at another address.  Kenneth & William don't seem to appear in subsequent directories, but Charles K. McKenzie is listed off & on.  Alexander is there through 1938, but in the 1939 directory, Adaline McKenzie (widow Alexander H.) is listed.

I found an obituary for Adaline from 1964.  It says Alexander died in 1938 and she had come to North Adams 70 years ago and was a member of St. John's Episcopal Church.  Survivors included her daughter Grace, stepdaughter Mrs. Philip Chesbro of Ogonquit, Maine, and a stepson Charles McKenzie of York Beach, Maine.

I found a likely obituary for Charles McKenzie's wife, so if this turns out to be the right line, let me know, as we can probably get to living descendants if you'd like.
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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 August 08 00:58 BST (UK) »

Wow! A feast! Cheers everyone. Firstly, I ran off to Scotlands people to see if I could find Kenneths marriage in Scotland - no luck so he probably met and married Sarah soon after he got to US. Can I search on line for this? Tried to check Passenger lists but no luck. If mum was right and they worked for the Hudson Bay Co would they have come into the States from Canada and can I search for this?

As for Alex on the census - the birthdate is right, May 1864. As far as I know Alex did not have a middle name so I am not sure about Alexander H  Undecided.

Genealiza can you tell me what NA stands for? Naturalization perhaps?

Finally, William was born 15/9/1851.
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McKenzie - Liverpool/Lanarkshire/ Aus/USA/NZ
Evans - Merionethshire
Turnell - Northamptonshire
Jones - Glamorgan
Wood - Nova Scotia, Mass, USA
Booth - Aus
Francis - Carmarthen
Griffiths - Glamorgan and Llanelli
Morgan - Llanelly, Pontardulais
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« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 August 08 01:13 BST (UK) »

Yes, NA is naturalized.  Ancestry does have border crossings from Canada, but I think the time frame is too late for these guys.

I'm not aware of any database that covers all Rhode Island marriages.  Ancestry has a small one, but Kenneth & Sarah didn't show up there.  For Massachusetts, you can try the link I mentioned above.
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« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 August 08 02:24 BST (UK) »

From the Social Security Death Index:

Kenneth McKenzie, b. 21 Jan 1895
                              d.       Aug 1962
SS card issued in the State of Georgia



I no longer have an Ancesstry subscription, so you might ask for a lookup of the death records in Georgia for Kenneth McKenzie.  It looks like there are two, one dying in 1935 in Fulton Co., and the other, the above dying in 1962.  I also see a Sarah S McKenzie who dies in Fulton Co., in 1943.  If you can get an actual date, you might be able to send for the death certificate.
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 August 08 10:09 BST (UK) »

Thanks again! Lots to look at now  Grin You have been a great help. I'm really excited about all this and can't wait to get hunting! I can look at Ancestry in my local library next week now that I have some direction.
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McKenzie - Liverpool/Lanarkshire/ Aus/USA/NZ
Evans - Merionethshire
Turnell - Northamptonshire
Jones - Glamorgan
Wood - Nova Scotia, Mass, USA
Booth - Aus
Francis - Carmarthen
Griffiths - Glamorgan and Llanelli
Morgan - Llanelly, Pontardulais
Williams - Llanelly
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 August 08 13:08 BST (UK) »

A possible William: married Northampton 1875 (?)

1880 Mass, Hampshire, Florence/Northampton

William McKenzie, 27, b. Scot, carpenter
Mary Ann              32, b. London, Eng, keeping house
Frederick J              4, b. Northampton, Massachusetts
Grace Louise          2, b. Northampton, Massachusetts
William Charles      8 mos, b. Northampton, Mass

1900 Mass, Hampshire, Northampton
MacKenzie, William b. Nov 1851, 48, marr 25 yrs, immig
                        1870, NA(turalized) overseer, silk dyer
                   Mary A, b. Mar 1846, 54, marr 25 yrs, mother of
                        5 children, 4 children living, b.Eng, immig 1873
                   Grace, b. Jun 1877, 22, b. Mass
                   W. Charles, b. Oct 1879, 20 b. Mass
                   Alexander, b. Sep 1882, 17, b. Mass
                   Florence E, b. Mar 1884, 16, b. Mass

1910 Mass, Hampshire, Northampton
William C Mackenzie, silk dyer
Mary A
Grace L
W Charles
J Alexander

Haven't located them in 1920 yet.




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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 August 08 14:06 BST (UK) »

I don't think the 1943 Georgia death for Sarah S. McKenzie is a match, as it lists her age as 71 years.

The Kenneth McKenzie who died in Fulton County in 19 Aug. 1962 might be a match for the son.  There's no age given for the Kenneth who died in Fulton County in 08 Feb 1935.

In the Northampton city directories, it looks like that William is sometimes referred to as William C., and the son referred to as W. Charles, so I'd guess that William's middle name is probably Charles.  They sometimes show up as McKenzie and sometimes as MacKenzie.  The father is in directories between 1893 and 1912, but only W. Charles is in the 1925 one.
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 16 August 08 16:20 BST (UK) »

Using the link that Shelly provided above, it appears that William married a Mary Ann Gardner, in Northampton in 1875.
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