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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 16 August 08 19:56 BST (UK) »

Seems it was well worth resurrecting this post!  Grin I'm going to be busy for days! Smiley Thanks guys.

Just a few thoughts. According to the directories info above Kenneth may be retired and living with Alexander in 1911 but the census puts Kenneth in Fulton, Georgia. The post also mentioned a William living nearby but in 1910 hes still in Northampton.

If the death in 1943 was the same Sarah her age should be 78 not 71.

The only birth of Kenneth McKenzie in Rhode Island I can find has parents William and Ella.

Can we untangle this maybe?
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 August 08 22:12 BST (UK) »

I think your next move would be to try to verify that these are definitely your guys.  Since Alexander's death date was likely 1938, he might be the best one to pursue.  You could try ordering his death certificate - directions here for Massachusetts, assuming he died there which we don't know for sure:  http://tinyurl.com/mz92t  Otherwise, you might want to try to get his obituary and hope that there are some clues as to relatives or where he was from.  I haven't had any luck finding one in the North Adams newspapers on Ancestry or newspaperarchives.com, but maybe there are others available.  The local library might also have some sort of death index of their own.  You could try e-mailing them to see what, if anything, they could check for you.  Also, there was a researcher for Berkshire County on raogk.com who might have other ideas to figure it out.
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 16 August 08 23:10 BST (UK) »

Thanks Shelley. What info am I likely to get on a Death Cert that could verify that this is the right person?
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« Reply #18 on: Saturday 16 August 08 23:15 BST (UK) »

I don't have any experience with Massachusetts records, but death certificates from other states typically have the deceased's parents' names on them.  Also, it may give place of birth.  It may just say "Scotland", but if you're lucky, it would have the town where he was born. 
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 16 August 08 23:27 BST (UK) »

I thought you might like to have these to fall back on.


Mass Vital Records: Sarah McKenzie b. 1897, Fitchburg, Vol.
                                       468, pg 468
                                Thomas McKenzie b. 1899, Fitchburg,
                                       Vol 486, pg 272


1900 Massachusetts, Worcester, Fitchburg
2 July 1900
McKenzie, Kenneth, head, white, male, b. Nov, --5-, (age
                   indexed as 41, but my copy is to bad to read),
                   marr 12 yrs, b. Scot, Scot, Scot, immig year
                   unreadable, possibly in US 18 yrs, NA, beamer
                   (?) cotton mill,  can read, write, spks Eng, rents
                   home
                Sarah, wife, white, female, b. Mar, ----5, 35, marr
                   12 yrs, mother of 6 children, 6 children living, b.
                    Scot, Scot, Scot, immig ----, 15 yrs in US, can
                    read, write, spk Eng
                 Alexander, son, --, b. Dec ----, 11, single, b. Rhode
                    Island, Scot, Scot, at school, 9 mos, can read,
                    write, spk Eng
                 Margaret, dau, white, female, b. Dec, ----, 9,
                    single, b. Rhode Island, Scot, Scot, at school, 9
                    mos
                 Annie, dau, white, female, b. Oct ----, 7 single, b.
                    Rhode Island, Scot, Scot, at school, 9 mos
                 Kenneth, son, --, b. Jany, ----, 5, single, b. Rhode
                    Island, Scot, Scot
                 Sadie, dau, --, b. Mar, ----, 3, single, b. Mass, Scot
                    Scot
                 Thomas, son, --, b. May ----, 1, single, b. Mass,
                    Scot, Scot
                 

1910  Georgia, Fulton, Collins
18 Apr 1910
McKenzie, Kenneth, head, male, white, 50, marr 1, 23 yrs,
                         b. Scot, Scot, Scot, spks Eng, finisher, cotton
                         mill, worker, can read, write
               Sarah, wife, female, white, 42, marr 1, 23 yrs,
                         mother of 6 children, 6 children living, b. Scot
                         Scot, Scot, spks Eng, can read, write
               Kenneth, son, male, white, 15, single, b. Mass,
                         Scot, Scot, spks Eng, can read, write,
                         attends school
               Thomas, son, male, white, 10, single, b. Pennsyl-
                         vania, Scot, Scot, spks Eng, can read, write,
                         attends school
                Annie, dau, female, white, 16, single, b. Rhode
                          Island, Scot, Scot, spks Eng, finisher, cotton
                          mill, worker, can read, write
                Sadie, dau, female, white, 15, single, b. Mass, Scot
                          Scot, spks Eng, can read, write, attends
                          school

1920  Georgia, Fulton, Bolton/Collins, 1328-Militia D
8 Jan 1920
McKenzie, Kenneth, head, rents, male, white, 60, marr, immig
                       1881, NA 1995( as written), can read, write,
                       b. Scot, Scot, Scot, spks Eng, superintendent
                       cotton mill, worker
               Sarah, wife, female, white, 50, marr, immig 1885,
                       N, 1995 (as written), can read, write, b. Scot,
                       Scot, Scot, spks Eng
               Kenneth, son, male, white, 25, single, can read,
                       write, b. Rhode Island, Scot, Scot, spks Eng,
                       beamer (?) cotton mill, worker
Bryant, Virlyn L, son in law, male, white, 33, marr, can read,
                       write, b. Georgia, Georgia, Georgia, spks Eng,
                       electrician, cotton mill, worker
           Maggie, dau, female, white, 29, marr, can read, write,
                       b. Rhode Island, Scot, Scot, spks Eng, report
                       clerk, cotton mill, worker
           Dorothy, dau, female, white, 5, single, b. Georgia,
                       Georgia, Rhode Island, spks Eng
           Sarah J, dau, female, white, 2 6/12, single, b. Georgia
                       Georgia, Rhode Island
Ryan, Joseph, son in law, male, white, 24(or 34), marr, can
                       read, write, b. Illinois, Ire, Russia, spks Eng,
                       pulman conductor, railway train, worker
           Sadie, dau, female, white, 22, marr, can read, write,
                       b. Mass, Scot, Scot, spks Eng
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 17 August 08 00:03 BST (UK) »

According to the directories info above Kenneth may be retired and living with Alexander in 1911 but the census puts Kenneth in Fulton, Georgia. The post also mentioned a William living nearby but in 1910 hes still in Northampton.
Directory information was compiled from a variety of sources (householder, neighbours, etc.) not official records and sometimes the information is carried over from a previous issue.
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« Reply #21 on: Sunday 17 August 08 01:16 BST (UK) »

From the Mass. Vital Records Index:
McKenzie, Lucy Emma (Fish) dies in North Adams, in 1898,
                              Vol. 481, pg 83--the only female McKenzie
                              death in North Adams, after the birth of
                              Charles, in 1895.

McKenzie, Alexander, marries in North Adams, in 1899, Vol
                               488, pg 81.
Chapman, Adaline (Udell) marries in North Adams, in 1899,
                               Vol 488, pg 81.


This 1900 census is very clear and an easy page to read.

1900 Massachusetts, Berkshire, North Adams
8 June 1900
McKenzie, Alexander, head, white, male, b. May 1864, 36,
                       married, 0 yrs, b. Scot, Scot, Scot, immig 1881,
                       19 yrs in US, NA, foreman Dyer Calico Mill, can
                       read, write, spks Eng, rents home
                 Addis (Addie), wife, white, female, b. Feby 1873,
                       27, married, 0 yrs, mother of 1 child, 1 child
                       living, b. Rhode Island, Mass, Mass, can read,
                       write, spks Eng
                 Annie, dau, white, female, b. Nov 1886, 13, single,
                       b. Mass, Scot, Mass, at school, 8 mos, can
                       read, write, spks Eng
                 Mable, dau, white, female, b. Dec 1888, 11, single,
                       b. Mass, Scot, Mass, at school, 8 mos, can
                       read, write, spks Eng
                 Charles, son, white, male, b. May 1895, 5, single,
                       b. Mass, Scot, Mass, at school, 8 mos, can
                       read, write, spks Eng (these last 3 look like
                       they may have been erased)


1910  Massachusetts, Berkshire, North Adams
16 Apr 1910
McKenzie, Alexander, head, male, white, 45, marr 2, 19 yrs,
                     b. Scot, Scot, Scot, immig 1865, NA, spks Eng,
                     color mixer, print works, worker, can read,
                     write, rents home
                Addie, wife, female, white, 36, marr 2, 19 yrs,
                     mother of 1 child, 1 child living, b. Rhode Island,
                     Mass, Mass, spks Eng, can read, write
                Mable, dau, female, white, 21, single, b. Mass, Scot
                     Mass, spks Eng, can read, write, atteded school
                     within the year
Chatmuth, Grace, dau, female, white, 19, single, b. Mass,
                     Scot, Rhode Island, spks Eng, can read write,
                     attended school within the year
                  Charles, son, male, white, 14, single, b. Mass,
                     Scot, Rhode Island, spks Eng, can read, write,
                     attended school within the year



1920  Massachusetts, Berkshire, North Adams
8 Jan 1920
McKenzie, Alexander, head, rents, male, white, 55, marr,
                     immig 1881, NA, 1892, can read, write, b. Scot,
                     Scot, Scot, spks Eng, foreman colorest, print
                     works, salaried
                Adaline, wife, female, white, 46, marr, can read,
                     write, b. Rhode Island, Mass, Mass, spks Eng
Chapman, Grace L, step dau, female, white, 29, single, can
                     read, write, b. Mass, Eng, Mass, spks Eng,
                     teacher, violin, works on own account
Chesbro, Annie, dau, female, 33, marr, can read, write,
                     b. Mass, Scot, Mass, spks Eng
Chesbro, Dorothy M, grandau, --, 10, single, attends school,
                     can read, write, b. Mass, Mass, Mass, spks Eng
               Gordon R, grandson, male, white, 9, single, attends
                     school, can read, write, b. Mass, Mass, Mass,
                     spks Eng
Chapman, Joseph A, boarder, male, white, 45, marr, immig
                     1887, NA, 1894, can read, write, b. Eng, Eng,
                      Eng, tool maker, machine shop, salaried
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« Reply #22 on: Sunday 17 August 08 02:01 BST (UK) »

Mass. Vital Records:
McKenzie, William marries in Northampton in 1875, Vol 272,
                         pg 18
Gardner, Mary Ann, marries in Northampton in 1875, Vol 272,
                         pg 18



1880 Mass, Hampshire, Florence/Northampton
23 June 1880
William McKenzie, white, male, 27, married, carpenter,
                             b. Scot, Scot, Scot
Mary Ann              white, female, 32, wife,  married,  keeping
                             house, b. London, Eng, Eng, Eng
Frederick J             white, male, 4, son, single, b. North-
                             ampton, Mass, Scot, Eng
Grace Louise         white, female, 2, dau, single, b. North-
                             ampton, Mass, Scot, Eng
William Charles     white, male, 8/12, Oct, son, single,
                             b. Northampton, Mass, Scot, Eng


Mass. Vital Records Index: Frederick J McKenzie d. 1892,
                   in Northampton, Vol. 428, pg 40




1900 Mass, Hampshire, Northampton
6 June 1900
MacKenzie, William, head, white, male,  b. Nov 1851, 48,
                       marr 25 yrs, b. Scot, Scot, Scot, immig 1870,
                       30 yrs in US, NA(turalized) overseer, silk dyer
                       can read, write, spk Eng, owns home, free
                   Mary A, wife, white, female,  b. Mar 1846, 54,
                       marr 25 yrs, mother of 5 children, 4 children
                       living, b.Eng, Eng, Eng, immig 1873, 27 yrs in
                       US, mailing, can read, write, spk Eng
                   Grace, dau, white, female, b. Jun 1877, 22,
                       single, b. Mass, Scot, Eng, mailing clerk, Pub
                       Co., unemployed 1 month, can read, write,
                       spks Eng
                   W. Charles, son, white, male, b. Oct 1879, 20
                       single, b. Mass, Scot, Eng, at school, 8 mos,
                       can read, write, spks Eng
                   Alexander, son, white, male, b. Sep 1882, 17,
                       single, b. Mass, Scot, Eng, at school, 8 mos,
                       can read, write, spks Eng
                   Florence E, dau, white, female, b. Mar 1884, 16,
                       single, b. Mass, Scot, Eng, at school, 8 mos,
                       can read, write, spks Eng



1910 Mass, Hampshire, Northampton
May 1910
16 Pine Street
MacKenzie, William C, head, male, white, 59, marr 1, 35 yrs,
                         b. Scot, Scot, Scot, immig 1870, NA, spks Eng
                         dyer, silk, worker, can read, write, owns
                         home free
                  Mary A, wife, female, white, 63, marr 1, 35 yrs,
                         b. Eng, Eng, Eng, immig 1870, spks Eng, can
                         read, write
                  Grace L, dau, female, white, 32, single, b. Mass,
                         Scot, Eng, spks Eng, no occup, can read,
                         write
                  W. Charles, son, male, white, 30, single, b. Mass,
                         Scot, Eng, spks Eng, clerk, silk mill, worker,
                         can read, write
                  J. Alexander, son, male, white, 27, single, b. Mass
                         Scot, Eng, spks Eng, chemist, silk mill, worker
                         can read, write
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 17 August 08 11:50 BST (UK) »

Thank you all! I am of to South Wales on the trail of hubbys family for a few days but I will get on to this when I get back.
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Re: Where can I search?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 23 August 08 22:00 BST (UK) »

Looks like we might have the right families. I spoke to my mum and she came up with names of two of the children without any prompting from me amd Alexanders death year! Its amazing what she can remember at times!

Any further help with this lot gratefully received.
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