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A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« on: Friday 15 August 08 20:40 BST (UK) »
Hello
My maternal Grandmother was Lily Emma Chalmers daughter of Charles and Emma and was born on April 15th 1887 in Portsmouth
My problem or rather brickwall is that I can find no record of my Grt  Grandmother Emma Chalmers' (nee Turner) birth. Her marriage certificate for Jan 12th 1886 states she was a spinster aged 39 and her father was called George, a tailor. The family were formerly from London so I have trawled thru the 1851 census looking for an Emma Tuner aged 5/6 with a father named George to no avail and I have also checked other census returns as well, again without success.
Emma is fast becoming "my mystery girl" as well as finding no trace of her until the 1891 census where she is living with her husband Charles Chalmers and 3 children including my Grandmother Lily Emma. The mystery is where was she until 1891 and also as she did not marry until 1886 were her other 2 children Florence(c1877) and Jane(c1884) from a former "marriage" and she "lied" on her marriage certificate ?
Any suggestions as what I can do next... other than banging my head against this particular brickwall !

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Viv
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER MYSTERY...
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:03 BST (UK) »
Charles was single in 1881 so they are not his from a previous marriage. I'll check for the children and Emma in 1881
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« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:07 BST (UK) »
It's possible that Emma was illegitimate so she invented a father to save face.
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER MYSTERY...
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:11 BST (UK) »
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and 3 children including my Grandmother Lily Emma. The mystery is where was she until 1891 and also as she did not marry until 1886 were her other 2 children Florence(c1877) and Jane(c1884)

Where is Jane on the 1891 census - the only 2 children were Florence 14 and Lily 3

She appears in 1901 aged 19
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 August 08 22:32 BST (UK) »
Births

Florence Turner December qtr 1877  Portsea Island  Volume: 2b 
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« Reply #5 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:18 BST (UK) »
Emma's father's name appears on her marriage certificate as George Turner so I don't think she invented him but you never know ! I have just had a thought that perhaps he was called George but registered on the all census lists with his given name.
I too cannot find Jane on the 1891 census either so that is another little mystery for me to unravel.
As I only live about a 5 minute walk away from the Portsmouth Register Office I will pop down and request a copy of Florence Turner's birth certificate. They are quite helpful down there and will only charge me if  Emma or Charles' name appear as  parents.
I have only been doing my family research for a year and this is the only "brickwall" I have come across.... so far !

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Viv
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:28 BST (UK) »
Hi

I found an 1882 birth reg for a Clara Jane Turner b Portsmouth who is on the 1891 census living with grandparents.  Unfortunately - not George - they were Elias & Emma Turner
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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:36 BST (UK) »
Just a possibility from the IGI

EMMA TURNER Birth:  04 APR 1843   Christening:  27 AUG 1843   Holy Trinity, Clapham, Surrey  Father:  GEORGE TURNER 
Mother:  MARY 


EMMA TURNER  Birth:  25 DEC 1845   Christening:  18 JAN 1846   Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London   
Father:  GEORGE TURNER    Mother:  HARRIETTE

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Re: A CHALMERS/TURNER mystery...
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 August 08 23:46 BST (UK) »
CaroleW

AAh the second one looks promising as Emma was aged 39 (according to her marriage cert) in 1886 so perhaps she thought she was a bit younger than she really was.... we all tend to tell little fibs about our age sometime during our lives.... so even in the 1800's it went on !!!! Wink

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Viv
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