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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 29 January 05 12:29 GMT (UK) »

With regards to Jimmy Boyle.  He may well be an acclaimed sculptor etc and a prison reformer and he was also a leading exponent in trying to turn younger people away from crime he was still a notorious criminal who became good.  He is also to some extent one of my hero's.  To withstand what he did in Barlinnie, to withstand and come out strong when the Government and prison service did all they could to contain what they saw as an attack on them personally. 

Would he have come out the man he is now though if it wasn't for the special unit?  No I don't think he would have.  His sculptoring saved him from more crime and he should be an inspiration to us all.  From the dreggs of life come the stalwarts of society.

Anyway thats all personal opinion.  Whatever the views of the gorbals by myself or others the fact is at one time they were a well to do era and then they fell into decay and today look like the slums of any major city.

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 29 January 05 13:02 GMT (UK) »

Hi Ele

Your grandfather would most certainly have known or spoken about the boxer Benny Lynch and you will find more info on him at www.bennylynch.co.uk

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #17 on: Friday 04 February 05 12:51 GMT (UK) »

Thanks again for your help.. Benny does ring a bell with my Dad.. Grandad was well into boxing. His father was a Bare Knuckle fighter at the Glasgow Greens late 1800's and my Dad also a boxer. Do you know of any history on bare knuckle fighting at the Glasgow Greens.. probably done behind closed doors I would imagine..

Thanks for the Gorbal Cross info. I will take a look further. Triggered my Dads memory of Grandads stories of police on horse back turning up to where they used to hang out and taking marbles to throw on the ground to bring the police off the horses.. and sewing razor blades into the lapels of jackets incase of a fight!!

Have a great day... Ele.
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« Reply #18 on: Friday 04 February 05 13:24 GMT (UK) »

Hi Ele

I don't know anything about bare knuckle fighting in the Glasgow Green but if you go on to www.glesga.ukpals.com I am sure that someone there will answer your questions.  It's also a great site for everyone who is looking for any info or help on the east end of Glasgow

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« Reply #19 on: Friday 04 February 05 17:03 GMT (UK) »

http://heritage.scotsman.com/cfm/heritagenews/headlines_specific.cfm?articleid=1187222003&subset=archive
is another site about a former Gorbals Bare knuckle boxer who was subsequently awarded the VC
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« Reply #20 on: Friday 04 February 05 17:07 GMT (UK) »

Re sewing razor blades into the lapels of jackets ..... purely self defense  Tongue

The logic being that if someone were to grab hold of you intending to headbutt you (the famous Glesga Kiss) they would do so by grabbing hold of your jacket lapels.
Therefore with the razor blades sewn in there they would injure themselves and give you that additional time needed to deliver a telling blow.  Roll Eyes
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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #21 on: Friday 04 February 05 17:17 GMT (UK) »

That's an excellent and informative site

Many thanks

Janie
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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #22 on: Friday 04 February 05 17:38 GMT (UK) »

Rob

It's blatantly obvious that you have not been near Glasgow for a very very long time.

Glasgow has enjoyed much regeneration/rebuilding in the last 20 odd years.

In fact "The Gorbals" have totally changed in the last 20 odd years - it may still have high rise flats but many of the awful "slums" are gone giving way to lovely new builds.  Of course, it is not one of the best areas in Glasgow but every city has good and bad areas.  Even in areas that are not the best, many of the people are still the best!!!

I speak not as a Glaswegian but a Paisley Buddie that is at present working on the perimeter of the Gorbals.

The Glasgow Green is just across the River Clyde from my work.  It is used for many things - Pipe Band Championships/Concerts etc

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« Reply #23 on: Saturday 05 February 05 22:11 GMT (UK) »

Caroline,

Well you are wrong I was in the gorbals about 6 months ago.  Have you been in amongst the high rise flats and seen the grafiti the rubbish strewn everywhere, the shop keepers behind bullet proof screens?  I doubt it very much.  I could go on.  At the end of the day the slums may well have gone or rather what we would associate with slums have gone yet the modern high rise are the equivalent.  We wont mention the constant stepping on broken needles etc.

But until I moved back to England I used to spend a lot of time in the Gorbals in those high rise flats and buying goods in those self same stores.  However if you had read all my posts you would have realised that I had been there recently because I have just about repeated one of my original posts.  It is a run down part of Glasgow and one in need of a lot of money to make it better.  Yes the people within the gorbals are happy but speak to them and most will say if only they would clean it up.

Ill stop there

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #24 on: Monday 30 May 05 22:46 BST (UK) »

The Gorbals are about 5 minutes walk from Glasgow city center and situated on the opposite side of the Clyde.  The area is mainly high rise flats and very rough neighbourhoods.  It makes Brixton in London look tame.  Jimmy Boyle the notorious early 60's gangster was born and raised there.

The shops in the Gorbals have metal bars all around the shop assitant because of the robberies being rife.  All that said I used to visit an ex girlfriends family friend there and never had too much trouble but I would sooner live rough than in the Gorbals.

Rob
I was born in Tradeston,next door,you might say to "The Gorbals.Gorbals like tradeston was a district in Glasgow.It had a few Gangs in the the 1920"s(read book"NO Mean City").However in all my lifetime there(1935-67)I have never seen or heard of things as you describe and I for one would rather live in the Gorbals than live Rough.I would also be of the opinion that you never lived there or at most was just passing through and not qualified to talk as you do.
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« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 31 May 05 09:00 BST (UK) »

1967 - 2004 = 37 years in that time I guess the place as changed more than you realise.  Did I ever stay there?  Yes I did with my then Girlfriends Cousin.  Is it all as I described?  Yes it is.  Even the busses in Glasgow have bullet proof screens around the drivers because of the attacks they have suffered.  The Gorbals is in my opinion not for the faint hearted and I stand by what I said many weeks ago when I made that post.  What opinions we generate about a place at the time of our visiting is one that stays with us throughout our lives and only revisiting that place can change that idea.  I wouldn't comment on how the place was in the 60's only ever having read about the place back then but Having spent many hours in the Gorbals I do feel entitled to offer an opinion from my point of view on its resent state.

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Re: The Gorbals, Glasgow (a place)
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 16 June 05 10:20 BST (UK) »

I dont think BOB and some of the others have been in the Gorbals for years.
All the negative comments are pathetic.
The New Gorbals is a busy place now with millions being spent in rejuvenating the area. Many expensive private housing an apartments have sprung up. The Gorbals burying ground in now a lovely rose garden. The new library is so modern in structure and content. The history of the area is so colourful and millions have lived and worked in the area over the past few hundred years. I dont see bars on any shop windows!!! Tongue
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« Reply #27 on: Saturday 25 June 05 15:50 BST (UK) »

Hi All,
Do not forget the are lots of famous people came from Glasgow and the gorbals IE: Pinkerton Detective Agency in America was started by Pinkerton from the Gorbals. The place is like every where else if you live there it is better than somewhere else. I know I have stayed in worse places around the world so dont always believe what you read or hear.
The Gorbals was the main stopping place for the poor Irish people escaping the Famines.
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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 30 June 05 23:38 BST (UK) »

It is true the Gorbals was a rough and ready district of Glasgow but Hey no longer.As with many areas of Glasgow the Gorbals has been regenerated the slums and" single ends" are no more The post war 50's and 60's architexture has been replaced with new apartments and houses which are very saught after.
In the sixties(even before) many razor gangs were invovled in running battles. NO longer!
I have been researching my husbands family tree and have discovered many of his forefathers were from the highlands of Scotland drawn to Glasgow to work in the ironfoundries and shipyards during the industrial revolution,
My father-in-law was born in the Gorbals in 1918 and is still alive to-day! Still lives in Glasgow too His father was a ship's cook and was shipwrecked in WW1 and never kept good health until his death in 1941 whilst my father-in-law was serving in the war against the Japanese.Like many other Gorbals Boys he was a member of the Boys Brigade and consequently he and many of his peers joined the Territorial Army_ they were the first to be called up.Before the war ended he rose to the rank of Sargeant Major   not bad for aboy from the Gorbals!!! After the war he became a teacher ,his son  ,my husband a bank manager,and our sons - a surgeon,a police officer and a fire officer.How's that then 
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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 10 July 05 20:20 BST (UK) »

My grandfather, Andrew William Murray, was apparently born in Gorbals (or Gobals?  Is there such a place?)  in Glasgow in 1897, street address 30 Main St.  From what I've read about the place, this doesn't seem to make sense, as his family was quite affluent - his father James Thomson Murray, from St. Monance, was a fish curer who owned his own business. I assume they were in Glasgow as part of his business. The next I can find them is in Torry, Aberdeen, in 1901, according to the census.
Was the Gorbals still an affluent area in 1897?  Is there an area of Glasgow known as Gobals?  Can anyone check out his birth records for me locally there?  His mother's name was Margaret Gerrard Murray, from St. Monance, Fife. 
I am so confused!
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