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Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« on: Saturday 16 August 08 18:06 BST (UK) »

Looking for a birth certificate for

William Owen, born around 1870 (+- 1 year) in Gaerwen
Mother Hannah Owen,
I have presumed him to be illegitimate, so I have no idea whether father's name is on the birth certificate or what the usual way of noting this was on a birth cert.  Address in 1881 would have been Ty'n y Pwll, but I don't know what it was at his birth.

Hannah's father was also called William Owen.  Hannah was born around 1848 in Penrhoslligwy.
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 August 08 12:43 BST (UK) »

Hi, welcome to Rootschat  Smiley

1871 - RG10 Piece 5726 Folio 68 Page 12
2 Tyn Llywn, Gaerwen (part of), Llanfihangel Esceifiog, Anglesey 

Reg dist: Bangor

William Owen 60  head, ag lab, Llanwenllwyfo
Anne Owen 60  wife, Llanddona, Anglesey
Ellin Owen 33, dau, unmar, Penrhos-Lligwy, Anglesey
Hannah Owen 21  dau, unmar,  Penrhos-Lligwy
Martha Hughes 11 grandau, Penrhos-Lligwy
William Owen 1 grandson, Llanfihangel, Anglesey

Info on certs, see father

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm

Registration district as above for GRO birth ref's, which  can be found  http://www.freebmd.org.uk/  there are quite a few, which could be him.

Possibly writing to the local office and ask for check against mother's name would be less expensive, and also obtain correct one, normally they do not charge if they cannot find what you seek.

Registrars of Births, Deaths and Marriages for Anglesey District:
Sub-districts : Amlwch; Bryngwan; Holyhead; Llanddausaint; Llandyfrydog; Llanfechell; Llangefni.
GRO volumes : XXVII (1837-51); 11b (1852-1930).
Registration and Census District:
XXVII (1837-51)
(1852 - 1946) 11b

Anglesey Registers Office
Shire Hall
Glanhwfa Road
Llangefni
Gwynedd
LL77 7TW

http://www.anglesey.gov.uk/doc.asp?doc=1595&cat=1702

Hope this helps  Smiley

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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 August 08 13:44 BST (UK) »

Thank you so much Cas. That helps a lot, I didn't have any info on the old William Owen's wife at all.
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 August 08 13:48 BST (UK) »

Do you want to go back...see if I can find them, or are you ok, don't want to take the fun out of your chase?

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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 August 08 13:52 BST (UK) »

That would be fantastic if you can. Won't take the fun out of the search at all! I've got plenty of dead ends to keep me occupied!  If there's no father on William Owen's birth certificate I guess that will always have to be blank! Sad I hate loose ends!!

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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 August 08 14:11 BST (UK) »

Ok, 1861 not popping up yet, possibly mistranscribed, will come back to that...see if I can locate.

1851 - HO107 Piece 2521 Folio 197 Page 1
Tany Bonck ? Penrhoslligwy, Anglesey
Reg district: Anglesey

All children b Penrhoslligwy, Anglesey

William Owen 40  head, Occupier of land, Llanwenllwyfo, Anglesey
Anne Owen 41 wife, Llangoed, Anglesey
Owen Owen 21  son, unmar,
Martha Owen 19  dau, unmar,
David Owen 15  son
Jane Owen 14  dau
Elennor Owen 12  dau
Leah Owen 5  dau
Eliza Owen 4  dau
Hannah Owen 1  dau
John Roberts 14  visitor, mariner, Penrhoslligwy

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Bray - Cornwall
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Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 August 08 14:22 BST (UK) »

1841 - HO107 Piece 1362 Book 13
Penrhos Lligwy, Anglesey
Hundred -  Twrcelyn
Reg dist: Anglesey   

All b in county

Address Tan Y Bonk (or Bank, looks like Bonk)

William Owen 30, farmer
Anne Owen 30 
Hugho Hugh Hughes 25
Owen Owens 10 
Martha Owens 9
Anne Owens 7 
David Owens 5 
Jane Owens 3
Elener Owens 2 
Margaret Owens 1 

Will see if I can trace 1861, if I do not post, cannot find  Undecided

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Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 August 08 14:36 BST (UK) »

I believe some parts are missing for 1861, not sure if those included are in the area for your kin, but cannot seem to find them... Undecided

1891 - RG12 Piece 4665 Folio 47 Page 13
Llanfihangel Esceifiog
 
William Owen 21 rabbit catcher, Gaerwen, Anglesey.  Working for Richard Thomas, farmer & wife Margaret.

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Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 17 August 08 15:15 BST (UK) »

That's wonderful Cas - and I love the profession rabbit catcher!  Grin
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 August 08 15:20 BST (UK) »

Happy to help, glad you joined us, it is a great forum  Smiley

Good luck with your research & best wishes

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Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 August 08 15:35 BST (UK) »

I'm stumped by poor William, he's obviously illegitimate, and perhaps even not registered, it seems that none of the entries fit the bill for him. 
My thoughts at the moment are that Hannah whom I presumed was his mother, was actually his aunt - there was a family legend that he was brought up by his aunt. If so, I'm bang on still with his Grandfather, but obviously still looking for any records of his birth.

Not only is William Owen a common name in 1870 for a baby, but I've now got a long list of possible mothers:

Martha Owen b abt 1832
Anne Owen b. abt 1834
Jane Owen b. abt 1837
Elin Owen b.  abt. 1838
Ellen / Elin / Eleanor Owen b. abt 1838
Margaret Owen B. abt. 1840
Leah Owen b. abt 1846
Eliza Owen b. abt 1847

Any tips for how to start would be very much appreciated!! Ellin was the only one living at home with Hannah, her parents and a 1yr old William in the 1871 census, so maybe start with her?
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 August 08 19:10 BST (UK) »

Sorry Catrin, but if you cannot find a suitable birth  Huh.  Possibly a marriage cert for Will, maybe, but not holding out any hopes for a named dad?

Glad you sorted your other thread and it proved positive.  Glad to have been of help there  Smiley

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Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Bray - Cornwall
Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
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Re: Birth lookup - Gaerwen 1870
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 August 08 22:35 BST (UK) »

Thanks for all your help Cas.

I've got a possible marr. certificate on it's way - but with  names like William Owen and Mary Jones and no definite date, and the fact I've already ordered one wrong one already, who knows!!!   Grin Let's hope this one proves to be the one though!
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