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Marriage mystery- Completed
« on: Saturday 16 August 08 21:40 BST (UK) »
Have been looking for a marriage for Robert Mitchel(l) and Matilda Scott. According to his 1942 obituary he was born 1836 and she circa 1859. Only one possibility I can see on Emerald Ancestors site in in 1879 County Antrim. I do know that Robert and Matilda had a son in 1879 in Ballymoney area and both belonged to Drumreagh Presbyterian Church. However, am wondering if Robert was married before to someone else in which case the marriage might have been at Registry Office or another church. The obituary says Robert's father was Burton Mitchell but I doubt this first name.
Would appreciate it if anyone can find Robert and Matilda's marriage so I can sort out this family tree.
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Re: Marriage mystery
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 August 08 21:58 BST (UK) »
marriage. ROBERT MITCHELL TO MATILDA SCOTT 24-4-1879 @ DRUMREAGH PRES.CHURCH BALLYMONEY, BALLYMONEY, ANT.


                                                    regards mary.
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Re: Marriage mystery
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 August 08 22:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Mary- looks like this is the couple I'm looking for so hopefully next week I can check the actual marriage to see if he was a widower and what his father's name really was.
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Re: Marriage mystery- Completed
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 August 08 22:39 BST (UK) »
Born 1836, obituary 1942 ... so aged 106 when he died?!
Married a girl 23 years younger than himself.

Sounds like his birth date is a generation out there ...

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Re: Marriage mystery- Completed
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 August 08 23:01 BST (UK) »
No, he was said to be aged 106 years when he died. I suspect that 1879 marriage might be his second but can't be sure until I see the register next week.
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Re: Marriage mystery- Completed
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 August 08 01:51 BST (UK) »
Wey hey!
Maybe 'tis time to choose to live the 2nd half of my life ...

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I recall advice to be wary about the true ages of folks who claimed to have been born in the 1930s.

Think it must have been during that interesting talk on Irish Genealogical Research given by Brian Trainor to the SoG in London many years ago.
[An infamous event, attended by a huge crowd, during which all copies of his UHF sampler books, laid out for perusal,  disappeared!]


Why be wary?

'Cos the (British) Government introduced the State Pension in 1909.
[For the first time, folks could get free money, just by being (able to prove they were) old.]

In Ireland the lack of early civil Birth records, and the ambiguity of Baptismal records, hindered the verification process.  Alternative "interview" methods were used as substitutes.


A key question to applicants was:

    "Do you remember The Big Wind"

This occurred in 1839.  So, if they did, this implied that they must be safely 70+ years old.
[Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Big_Wind ]


The "elderly" in the populace got wind of this question (and others) and were able to construct elaborate tales of having experienced the event.

The result was that the ages of almost the entire Irish population increased (sic) by 10 years across the board that year ....

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The concept of a pension paid by a State dates back to 1890s Germany, when the Chancellor (Bismarck) caved in to political pressure.

The burning issue was to decide at what age a person could become a pensioner.


His actuaries reported that ...

"At this time, German men live for an average of 66 years."


His famous reply was:

"In that case, the trigger age will be set at 65.
  I'll pay for 1 year's worth of retirement !"

[This was the minimum that he could get away with politically.]


Other countries then followed the German lead, bringing in pensions (and using the same age threshold).


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Re: Marriage mystery- Completed
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 20 August 08 17:59 BST (UK) »
Just an update after looking through church registers thanks to maryderry finding me the date of the marriage.
Robert was a bachelor at the time of his 1879 marriage to Matilda (thought it might have been his 2nd marriage) and also found 7 children born 1879-1896. Robert's father was also Robert Mitchell (not Burton which turns out to be the other grandfather of Robert & Matilda's grandson in America). The youngest daughter has the middle name of Orr which might be a significant clue.
Hoping to be able to check for the family in 1901 census soon to see how old Robert Mitchell says he was at that time.
Many thanks.
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