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Occupation in Speen
« on: Sunday 17 August 08 11:59 BST (UK) »
On my late grandfathers birth certificate, it says in the fathers occupation "Haulier, Coal Mine of Speen"

Now, his family were all coal miners in wales. Why would it say "coal mine of speen?" Does this mean he was living in speen at the time?  The way it is worded is almost like he was working in a coal mine in Speen!
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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 17 August 08 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Where was grandfather born?


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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 17 August 08 12:16 BST (UK) »
My late grandfather was born in Newbury. His mother lived in speen. I have no idea why my great grandfather would have lived down here if he was a coal miner??
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 August 08 12:19 BST (UK) »


Could there have been some coal mines in Speen?


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Re: Occupation in Speen
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 August 08 12:51 BST (UK) »
I shouldn't imagine so. But I really do not know
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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 23:01 BST (UK) »
How about a Haulier, of coal, resident of Speen? 

Somerset coal was carried on the Kennet & Avon Canal to canal-side yards at Newbury/Speen/Speenhamland etc.

What particular era was this?  My maternal grandfather was born 1859 and his line had bargemen during [at least] the 1820s - early 1850s.
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Re: Occupation in Speen
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 August 08 23:37 BST (UK) »
There is no coal under Speen (Berks) so no coal miners working there. Of course a coal miner from elsewhere could be in Speen.

There were no coal wharves in Speen - the major wharves were in Newbury and Greenham. Certainly there was a coal merchant (Adey's) operating alongside West Mills wharf in Newbury. Someone from Speen could work there.

Alternatively - could it read Coal Man?
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 20 August 08 00:24 BST (UK) »
That's an interesting theory. The year would have been early to mid 1920's.

Would there be any records of who he worked for somewhere?
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 20 August 08 00:25 BST (UK) »
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Alternatively - could it read Coal Man?


It def does not say that.

Like you say, he could have lived in speen but worked in newbury.
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Re: Occupation in Speen
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 August 08 14:17 BST (UK) »
Is the certificate local or GRO? Those from the GRO are notoriously prone to transcription errors - Newbury Register Office will have the original entry. Parish or chapel registers could also help if he was baptised.

I have seen employment records for one Newbury firm (Elliots) - listing the pay of all shop-floor employees week by week. Something similar may have survived for Adey's or other coal merchants/yards but such survivals are very rare.
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 August 08 14:58 BST (UK) »
The Certificate is GRO. William powells (the coal miner from speen) family came from Ferndale in Glamorgan. He had another child in 1921 called cyril powell. I know he was born in newbury but I don't know where.  Would there possibly be an entry on the electoral reg for 2 nursery cottages in 1921? I really am not sure if William lived down here or continued to work in wales. It is confusing.
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 22 August 08 11:52 BST (UK) »
If your chap came from Wales he could well have been a coal miner - who just happened to be living in Speen and working as a haulier at that time.

Electoral rolls are held at the BRO.
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 August 08 20:20 BST (UK) »
 Shocked 2nd time in a matter of weeks... Coal in Speen !!
My family also come from here, hence the interest.  Grin  Grin

http://www.petergoodearl.co.uk/laceygreen/speen/speen.htm

This gives an excellent view to 'our' area.
Stil trying to find the mines....  Cool

I think.   Roll Eyes its something to do with the rail line.

Best wishes
Lesanne.
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 August 08 20:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Lesanne,

Who is the other person who has mentioned coal in speen?

I think I'll have to try and find something out about the railways. I've never looked before.

Were your family something to do with the mines then?
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« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 August 08 20:35 BST (UK) »
I just found this on one website.

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Coal Merchant L.J.Bodman & Sons continued their business operations from Welford Park Station after closure of the Northern section of the line in 1960. The station approach road took the form of a junction connecting with the Newbury to Lambourn Road. The road continued on past the the loading dock on Lambourn end of the 'down' platform, and thus, provided access to the goods yard and siding.

I don't know where welford park station is in regards to speen though.
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