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An65
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The only info I have on Brownetta Smith is already known to you Im afraid. What became of her/her family (if she had one) I have not been able to find out.
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Chezp
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Hi
Glad you liked the summary - it's certainly made it easier for me to follow.
I've found a note of entries I made from another of my late great aunts. Another birthday book which mentions several of the Gray family's birthdays strengthening the close link the Smiths and Grays must have had, particularly around Great Hale and Heckington from the 1900s onwards ie Lydia Gray 1900-1927 and "Lydia's mother" Jan 8 1870. William Gray July 21 1899, Hugh Gray Aug 9 1896, Eric GRay Aug 11 1904. They must have been close to have kept these details.
Oh and Deb - I had noticed you calling me Edwina but didn't want to say anything... 
Chez
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deb usa
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Chez,
Deb,
I think Brownetta is another one of the names that appears on Ann's fantastic website as marrying Wisdom Smith (c. 5/6/1796 Twyford, Leics). According to that site they had one daughter called Lucy c5.4.1814, Bainton, Nthants, there are no other details for her although Wisdom seems to have had a couple of other wives so I think we might need Ann again to explain!
I wonder if Brownetta changed her name ...I have found this on IGI
Wisdom SMITH s/o Wisdom and HANNAH
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exact same day as they married ....Coincidence or what?? 
Or was Wisdom married to Hannah and baptised hi son the same day he married Brownetta??
deb 
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Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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mongojoby
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Hi Deb,
Sorry for not making it all that clear but the date I have noted is for Wisdom Smith's christening rather then his marriage (Brownetta would have been about 2 at this time!).
Hope you aren't too confused,
Regards,
Jo
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deb usa
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Jo
how embarassing ,,,, I have just realised my mistake ... I am crawling under the table at this very moment ...hee hee 
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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I also see a Wisdom Smith married a Maria Elet IGI ext
01 JUL 1818 Saltby, Leicester,
seems like the Smiths/Grays/Elliott/Ellett families are totally intertwined ...
arghhhhh ...I also cannot see Francis and Sarah ellett/Elliott in 1871 or 1861 ...
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
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deb usa
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Hi all
Have just been g**gling and have found this which may help .... it comes from your site An65 .... 
Remember one of the mourners was Mrs WINTER....
"Little London, Melton Mowbray Leic 1871:
Sarah Winters 48 Hawker Boston Lin
Ann Winters 11 Melton Leic
Ellen Winters 8 Notts
William Winters 2 Melton Leic"
I wonder if this family has anything to do with the Smiths/Grays?
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
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Chezp
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Hi Deb.
At the funeral of Fred' Smith's wife Annie (died Christmas Eve road crash 1954 Annie and her son-in-law) among the mourners are Mr S Gray (this might be Sidney Gray) and there is a Mr H C Winter. I know the dates are well ahead of what we're looking at but I thought I'd mention it as it might show an older link.
Chez
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Chezp
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Hi
Just browsing through before logging off and saw this from babygirl101 ...
I can't really find any connection to a Charles Smith (b. around 1819) in my family, but I came across a newspaper report about him, dated 26th February 1887.
It refers to his wife Lucy Smith (formerly Austin) who was born around 1829. They had two children living with them at the time - Oceana aged 17 and Albert aged 11. They were reported as being gypsies and he was from Barford Oxfordshire apparently. His sister then late sister was mentioned and it said she was the wife of a Wisdom Smith and had died about 1885 at the age of 90 (i.e. born around 1795).
Could this be Brownetta? She was supposedly born 1784.
]Chez
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mongojoby
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Hi Deb,
I think I can help with Francis and Sarah for 1861. They are presumably with Francis' parents Edward and Martha in Alford Lincs:
New Road;
Edward Elliott; Head; Mar; 60; Gipseys (" appears for Martha then all other professions are left blank); Notts, Willboughby
Martha Elliott; Wife; Mar; 69; Lincoln, Great Ponton
James Elliott; Son; mar; 30; Lincn, Grantham
Charlotte; Daug; mar; 28; Lincoln, Wyburton
Francis; Son; mar; 28; Leicester, Hellington Hill
Julia; Daug; un; 22; Lincoln, Timberland
Arnold; Son; un; 19; Lincoln, Bloxholme
Jermmina; Daug; 15; un; Lincoln, Barwell
Harriot; Daug; 12; un; Lincoln, Billingborough
Christopher; 10; Son; un; Lincoln, Potter Hanworth
Sarah; Daug; mar; 22; Notts, Nottingham
Thomas; grandson; 6; Lincoln, Cumbergate
Samuel; grandson; 4; Lincoln, Monthorpe
Lydia; grandaug; 2; Lincoln, Billinghay
William; grandson; 1 mo; Lincoln, Alford
John Smith; Boarder; 24; not known
No sign in 1871 though, also a shame it doesn't give more details of the boarder John Smith as may well have led to a connection between the Smith and Elliott families.
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An65
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There were several Wisdom Smiths. That topic has been covered in this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,314363.0.html
The one who reputedly married Brownetta Smith is the same one that married Maria Ellet (Elliot) Though.
The Winters certainly did marry into the Grays and Smiths but they are notoriously hard to find on census, (and everywhere else it seems!).
As for the Elliots, yes indeed Edward Elliot and Martha were the parents of Francis. Edward Elliot was the brother of Ann who married William Smith (my great x4 grandparents).
Francis and Ellen do appear on the later census the enumerator just couldnt spell their surname. I know I did find them but have lost that data in the great PC crash, so now Ill have to go have another look.....
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An65
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Here is Francis in 1881 with his first wife Sarah Mills:
1881 RG11/3261/112/21
Brackenborough Lane, Louth
Francis Ellett 48 Hardware Dealer, Buckminster Leic
Sarah Ellett 44 Newark Notts
Lydia Ellett 22 Kyme Lin
William Ellett 21 Alford Lin
John Ellett 18 Wrangle Lin
Jemima Ellett 16 Benniworth Lin
Ellen Ellett 14 Bucknall, Lin
Esther Ellett 12 Caistor, Lin
Mary A Ellett 5 Louth Lin
Christalena Ellett 3 Langworth Lin
Elizabeth Capes 20 Servant Blyborough Lin
Eliza Goodhand 20 Servant Bonby Lin
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deb usa
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Hi An 65
Yep we found Francis and Ellen Elliott in later censuses ...under the surname ELLET...see page 4 and Chez' summary ...in 1901 they had a grandson Herbert Smith living with them.
as for Constance ...under Ellett in 1891 ...I do believe she is Constance Smith ...Barthy and Ellen's daughter.
deb
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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
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deb usa
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Hi
Just browsing through before logging off and saw this from babygirl101 ...
I can't really find any connection to a Charles Smith (b. around 1819) in my family, but I came across a newspaper report about him, dated 26th February 1887.
It refers to his wife Lucy Smith (formerly Austin) who was born around 1829. They had two children living with them at the time - Oceana aged 17 and Albert aged 11. They were reported as being gypsies and he was from Barford Oxfordshire apparently. His sister then late sister was mentioned and it said she was the wife of a Wisdom Smith and had died about 1885 at the age of 90 (i.e. born around 1795).
Could this be Brownetta? She was supposedly born 1784.
]Chez
Hi Chez
in 1881
Watlington, Oxfordshire
shed
Charles Smith head mar hawker 67 b Oxon marford
Lucy wife 57 b Oxon ??
Albert son 5 b Bucks ?? common
Ausly ?? 11 dau b Oxon Shawl?
1871
Thame, Moreton Field and North Weston, Oxon
camped in ??
Charles Smith head mar 50 peg maker, wire ? b Oxon Barber
Lucy wife 40 chair bottomer b Wiltshire, H/Mannaton
Licia dau 18 unm bird minowing b Hale Surrey
Elizabeth dau 14 b Cassington Oxon
Ochennia dau 8 months b W/moreton Field, Oxon
Charlotte Austin mother widow b Wiltshire Ives/
we would have to tace them to see if he is related to Brownetta
will look further
deb
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Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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mongojoby
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I can't work out whether you are still revelling in the search Deb, or if it has all gotten under your skin now and you feel like you have to solve the mystery
Great plucking of census returns out of nowhere anyway! I have had a quick look at the 1881 return and I think the birth place for Ausly/ Ausey in 1881 might be Thame, Oxon, can't help with the other ?s though.
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