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Topic: Look-up Liverpool (Mersey) Pilots 1734/1990 (Read 5376 times)
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POLESTAR
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Hi
I am looking for a James Derbyshire Master Mariner who I assume worked out of Liverpool. I guess that he was born around 1775 and died before 1867. Not much to go on I know. Married 1790 ish in Lancaster and one of his children baptised in Liverpool 1806 James is listed as master mariner on this parish record.
many thanks
Polestar
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hkerrysue
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Hi Davecigar - intersted in your book. Do you have any rcord of Isaac Walton "Master Mariner" - reportedly captain of the steam tug boat Brilliant Star, in the 1800;s, I think.
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hkerrysue
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Me again - I believe he had somthing to do with bringing The Great Eastern over from Dublin.
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POLESTAR
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Thanks anyway.
Polestar
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hkerrysue
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Many Thanks - I will continue digging.
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jontyb
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My Great Great Grandfather - Capt John Williams was a Master Mariner and River Pilot. He was married in St Peters, Liverpool in 1811 so I assume he was a Liverpool Pilot sometime during the early part of the 1800's. Is there any mention of him in your book?
Regards,
John.
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jontyb
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Does anyone have a copy of John (PJH) Tebay's "List of Pilots - 1734 to 1990" or know how I can get access to copy. My Great Great Grandfather - Capt John Williams was thought to be a Master Mariner and River Pilot. He was born around 1791 and married in Liverpool in 1811 so I assume he was a Liverpool Pilot sometime during the early part of the 1800's. I would like to find out if there is any mention of him in the book which may open a few more doors and assist in further research.
Regards,
John.
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davecigar
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Hi
Patience would have helped!
There are supposedly ten entries for John Williams but only eight listed in the book. The reason I say this is because all entries with the same surname and christian name have a roman numeral next to the name, in this case (III) to (X). On the previous page the last entry is for David Williams, but no mention of JW (I) and (II).
The 1st entry for JW (III) shows him licenced in 1832 and as they are in date order, all the other JW's are at a later date.
As the Liverpool Pilot Service is unlike any other in the UK, they operate an apprenticeship system, your JW would have had to join the Service in 1806/7 and probably be licenced about 1811/12, which is feasible, but he could not have been a Master Mariner as well as a Liverpool Pilot.
I have looked in the 'History of the Liverpool Pilot Service' by John S Rees and there is an entry for a JW as one of the first licenced Pilots in the Port of Liverpool in 1766, but this is too early for your JW. Unfortunately there were no further lists of Pilots between then and 1832.
The only record available for further research is the 'Pilot Character Book' to be found at the Liverpool Maritime Museum, Albert Dock, Liverpool, where there is a page for each Pilot since 1766.
And there was you thinking it was just a simple 'look up'! Mind you with a name like Williams, nothing is simple.
Hope this is of some help
Dave
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Cockram/Williams - Poole/Wareham, Dorset
Evans - Corwen
Dodd - New Ferry/Malpas
Jones/Williams - Caernarfon/Anglesey
Bristowe - Bratton, Wiltshire
Wells - Bath, Somerset
Fishwick/Lewis - Liverpool
Nicholson/Tennant - Ecclefechan, Dumfrieshire
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jontyb
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Thanks very much for the information on John Williams and sorry for appearing a bit impatient. I am new to this form of messaging and wasn't sure if I was making my request to the right person.
At the time of his marriage in 1921 records described him as a Master Mariner, so it could be that he became a pilot around the time of JW III (1832) assuming there wasn't a limit on age, as he would have been about 41 years old. Hopefully, I should be able to get to Liverpool Maritime Museum in the next two weeks to check it out. I presume you don't need an appointment to look at the archives.
Thanks again for your help.
John.
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jontyb
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and thanks for the advice.
Cheers,
John.
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davecigar
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Hi again John,
I have found the missing entries in another publication, in fact it's the whole page that was missig. It's in 'Beyond the Bar' by Barrie Youde, another retired pilot of similar vintage.
JW (I) As previously intimated - Licenced in 1766 but no further details.
JW (II) First licenced 1819 - Retired 1855 - Died 1857. He looks a possibility, being licenced at the age of 28, but does his death date fit in with what you know about him?
At least it will save you a visit to MMM, unless he's your man when his complete pilotage record will be in the 'Pilot Character Book'.
Regards
Dave
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Cockram/Williams - Poole/Wareham, Dorset
Evans - Corwen
Dodd - New Ferry/Malpas
Jones/Williams - Caernarfon/Anglesey
Bristowe - Bratton, Wiltshire
Wells - Bath, Somerset
Fishwick/Lewis - Liverpool
Nicholson/Tennant - Ecclefechan, Dumfrieshire
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