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Topic: William ROSS, buried in Laurencekirk (Read 1397 times)
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lyndyloo6
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Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi There,
Can you help me?
I have just joined this site, so please bear with me. My gt grandfather was William Ross, c1879. He died in Croy, Invernesshire in 1956. He is buried in Laurencekirk and was a shepherd. My great Grandmother was Isabella Gibb and they married in 1904. On the marriage certificate Williams parents are given as William Ross, Ploughman and Florence Smith. (It does not say maiden name). They married at Burn of Guinea, Glenbervie. On Williams death cert, his parents are given as William Bremner and Florence , Maiden surname Smith. I have looked everywhere for a marriage with both names. I have spoken to the grandson who registered the death. He does not recall the name Bremner. I cannot find Williams birth certificate. I have looked the census reports, and it does not say where he was born. One possibility was Aberdeen not known. Can you help me please, any lead would be good. I have been looking for 2 years now and have come to the conclusion that he must have been illegitimate and boarded out by his mother.
Kind regards
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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HI Isles,
Thank you for your reply. The marriage that I was referring to was William Ross and Isabella Gibb. It was on that marriage certificate that the reference made to his parents as William Ross and Florence Smith. The cert did not indicate that they were married, as there was no MS next to Florence's name. I have hunted for about 2 years now and can find no marriage between William Senior and Florence. And then if he was illegitimate, who would his mother have been? Not sure where to go now with this one.
Thank you for looking, it is always good to have fresh eyes look at something.
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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Digger88
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Linda,
You dont say where in Laurencekirk, he was buried, If you can tell me this and possibly the plot number. (These records are with the Laurencekirk registrar - Banski) Then if you think there might be a headstone and it would help, I could have a look.
Digger88.
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi There,
I went to Laurencekirk to look for the headstone as I could not find his death certificate. He is in the cemetry next to the main road at top of Laurencekirk. Not sure what it is called. It was a very productive day as I also found my gt uncle James Ross's name on the war memorial next to it. He is buried with my gt grandmother Isabella Gibb. My problem is the names on the death certifcate which states that his fathers name is different from the name on the marriage certificate. I have not managed to find his birth certificate as yet, but am planning a day at register house soon to see what this turns up.
Many thanks for your offer.
Kind regrds,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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Lass
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Hi Lynda!
I don't have anything useful to add, but I was surfing the forum and came across your thread. I'm just wondering if I've got this right or if I'm missing something........ I have had a glass or two you understand 
You are saying that the grandson registered the death but that Bremner means nothing to him. But wouldn't he have been the one to provide the parents details?
Aside from that, have you considered that it's possible that Florence Smith remarried after the death (assumption) of her first husband? The Bremner may be the second marriage and therefore assumed to be the father later in life. In which case you should maybe be looking for Bremner/Ross marriages? Just a thought really!
Lass x
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Digger88
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Lynda,
Have you tried writing to the 2 local weekly papers?
They are KINCARDINE OBSERVER. www.specialistmags.co.uk/atoz.php?
and the MEARNS LEADER www.mearnsleader.co.uk.
If you can add a photo and get a personal interest slant on it, there will be a good chance that someone knows someone who can lay it on the line for you.
You could also ask 'Family Friends' newsagent on the High Street to put a notice in the shop window.
Cheers Digger88
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
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My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hello and thank you both.
I have written to one of the papers in Kincardine, I think the Mearns. When I spoke to the grandson who regisdtered the death, he was quite confused about the Bremner bit. He was 16 when he registered the death. However, my great Aunt was still alive at the time and I think if it was wrong she would have rectified this.....but who knows. I know that there would have been a bit of a palaver as he died in Croy and was brought back to Laurencekirk and buried beside my great grandmother. It is all so confusing and I have spend lots of money on SP looking at the death certificates. He appears in the 1881 census as an 8 year old, no parents. In 1891 he is in Kincardine, as an ag labourer in a Bothy, no parents and born Aberdeenshire, kn. So my wee search goes on and on.
Thank you for your suggestions.
Kind regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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angusg
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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The only it I have to add is this.
When my mother registered my fathers death
in 1958 she gave his brothrs name inplace
of his fathers.
Nobody who needed the certificat seemed to notice or care.
In later years I must have read it a dozen times before I noticed the error.
So what you read may not have been correct.
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Watt, Beattie,Glass,McDougal, Guthrie,Blackie,
Gordon,Lawson,Anderson,Reid,Stott,Milne.
Duff,and in the states/canda Kidder
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi there,
Thank you for this. I had never thought about it in this way. I probably need to go to Invrness again and speak to my cousin. Hee I am many months on and still no joy as how to resolve this. I htought I would give it a rest at the summer and concentrate on the other side of my family. 
Kind regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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Susanb123
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Hi Lynda
Have you had a look at the birth of William Bremner Ross in Aberdeen in August 1872. He was born to an Isabella Ross. This would tie in with his age shown on the census of 1881 and 1901.
Regards
Susan.
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
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My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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Hi Susan,
I have looked at this cerificate and think that this is the most probable one. I ave a freind who is gong to look at the archives sometime in the next month. The Isaella woud also tie in with the names passed on down throgh the family as this was one of the nams given to my mother in 1936 when she was born..... however, it still does not resolve the mystery of Florence Smith who's name appears on both certificates......heres hoping I can tie this up as soon as possible
Kind regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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geomid
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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hi new to this site but wondering if you could give me details of the welsh family as you have a common ancestor in john welsh with my girlfriend
thanks
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lyndyloo6
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 343
My Great Grandmother, Susan Allan Welsh,Bervie
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HI There,
Which John Welsh you want to know about....1784 or 1840 one.....Are your Welshs from Kincardineshire?
Regards,
Lynda
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Welsh, Allan, Wemyss, Caird, McAllister,Gibb, Kincardineshire,
McDonald, Brechin, McConnachie, Pirie, Welsh, Angus
Gibb, Allan, Ross, Stewart,McRobb, Aberdeenshire,
Robertson, McKay, Blyth, McHale, Begg, McCann, McCabe, Horan, Edinburgh.
McGoohan, Conway, Kelly, Meechan, Edinburgh, Ireland
Goodfellow, Hodgson, Birtley,Chester le Street Durham.
Logie, Seater, Swan/Swanny, Kirkwall,
Sutherland, Dingwall
McLaughlan, Michael, Edinburgh Ireland
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geomid
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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1840 from aburthnott married to jessie
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