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Topic: St Marys' Church, Blyth. CHARLES JOHNSON (Read 357 times)
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Michael Dixon
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Barbara,
Not long-winded at all, but not totally clear to me !
So your grandparents were Charles and Elizabeth who married 23 Oct 1923.
Then did they have a son Charles, and he is your main target ?
When/where was he born ?
(The GRO index of the civil registration of marriages shows that Charles Johnson married Elizabeth HANSON in December Qtr of 1923.)
Then the births of children Patricia (June Qtr 1924) and Elizabeth M Johnson (Mar qtr 1926), both with a mother with maiden name of HANSEN) were registered within the Tynemouth Registration District. ( Blyth was a sub-district office within the Tynemouth organisation).
Am I right in thinking that you have bought a Birth Certificate for a Charles Johnson, for a specific time/date, which showed the child's father to be Thomas, a bricklayer.
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Barbara,
So you are wanting to go back in time from the Charles Johnson who married Elizabeth Hansen ?
And you have a cert of their marriage ? That shows Charles's father as
"Charles, bricklayer, deceased"
"transcription error"
always a possibility, even by the moderrn-day staff member who wrote out/typed the cert..... but what was the possible mistake ?
By the way how old was Charles the spouse when he married in 1923 ?
Do you know where Charles the spouse was born ?
Michael Dixon
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Barbara,
Leaving aside the Hansens ( I see them on Census 1901 in Blyth-Ropery Buildings, near Forster St, page 4812-68-36, including 4 yr old Elizabeth)...
...on C1901 in North Shields (page 4799-30-4) there is a Johnson family headed by Thomas and Elizabeth with a 9 month old Charles(born Tynemouth). Father Thomas was a "bricklayer". On C1891 (4227-123-35) Thomas was described as a "mason".
There are a couple of possible deaths for this Thomas, e.g.. Mar Qtr 1911 (45 yrs).
This Thomas possibly married Elizabeth Walton Sep Qtr 1886. ( They had a son, Ralph Walton Johnson, who died Dec Qtr 1891 aged 4 yrs.
With the 1901 census taken in first week of April, the 9 month age of young Charles fits with "his" June birth 1900.
His birth was Tynemouth/North Shields.
Do you know where your grandfather Charles was born. Was he called just Charles or Charles James ?
What was the date of birth of the "wrong" Charles Johnson ( and on what date was the Registrar informed of the birth ?
Michael Dixon
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What about the Charles William Johnson registered in South Shields in the Sept ¼ of 1900? A June birth still could be registered in the 3rd quarter. Neither a North Shields/Tynemouth or a South Shields gives you a Gateshead birth place as per MM records.
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Me a mine of info... Bebside mine.. LOL. I was born in Bebside Colliery, then moved to Cowpen Estate when Bebside pit died in early 1950s. Before I started into Family History I knew nothing and cared to know nothing about my neck of the woods. But research puzzles and problems forced me learn things. Eventually it became interesting. My father, to whom I turned a deaf ear on local history, just turned in his grave.
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Barbara, So it was Patricia, Elizabeth Margaret, Charles, Lilian and Albert, in that order !
The English Naming Pattern encouraged couples to name their children to a pre-determined sequence...
The first-born son was to be given his father's father's name ( NOT his father's name as many mistakenly believed ! ) The first-born daughter was to be called after her mother's mother.
Second dtr to be called after her father's mother. Third dtr to be called after her mother.
Second son to be named after his mother's father. Third son to be called after his father (unless the name had already been used)... and so on...
Having said all that, by the 1900s, the use of the ENP was dying out.
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Barbara,
Today in Woodhorn ( Northumberland County Records Office) I saw the Johnson/Hansen marriage in St Mary's, Blyth< marriage register.
This will be identical to what you already have from the civil registration of the marriage.
One of the witnesses Mary Ellen Johnson. Also noticed that curate wrote bride's surname as HANSON, but Elizabeth made a good clear signature of HANSEN.
I aslo saw the bapt of Patricia , born 12 Mar 1924, bat 3 Apr 1924, 4 Clark St, Charles a labourer.
Then Elizabeth Margaret, born 18 Jan 1926, bapt 4 Feb 1926, 31 Beaumont St, Charles a "sailor".
Then this one (which might not be "yours" ? )
Born 12 Feb 1927, bapt 3 Mar 1927 IVY, dtr of John Charles/Elizabeth Johnson, 125 Hambledon St, labourer.
Hambledon St was/is parallel and four streets away from Beaumont Street.
Could not see the later baptisms !
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