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Topic: Thinking outside the box with ancestors who vanish. (Read 137 times)
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coombs
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1261
Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi
Thanks to my recent success story I have managed to solve a family mystery surrounding my ggggrandfather. Now I found that he emigrated.
For a long while I have been trying to find the death of my ancestor Thomas Musgrave who was born in December 1827. I checked all post 1885 deaths for Musgrave/Musgrove and other variants and cross referenced them against census records and other research and I all eliminated them. It was proving very hard to find his death.
I did consider the possibility he may have emigrated but it didn't really occur to me until recently. I checked the 1900 US census and found a Thomas Musgrave, aged 72, born Dec 1827, England, widower, living with his son in law Robert Sutherland in North Fayette Town, Allegheny, Pennsylvania, America. The wife of the house was Elizabeth Sutherland wife of Robert, aged 48, born April 1852 in England. Robert had a step daughter Mary Ellen Wilson. My Thomas Musgrave had a daughter Elizabeth born 23rd April 1852 in Durham county, England. The 1900 US census says Elizabeth couldn't write which ties in with her 1870 marriage to Robert Wilson.
I then knew that Thomas Musgrave in 1900 in America was my ancestor. Very Happy
That explains why I kept failing to find a death in England. He went to join his daughter in America.
That is why you need to consider an emigration if you cannot find an ancestor after a census or relative death record.
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Researching:
LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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Gaille
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 420
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I agree 
I 'found' a lost uncle of my grandads in the 1901 Cencus, until then no one in the family even knew he existed.
He became mt pet project as I learned more & more about him, he basically brought up my great grandad & his siblings after their parents died.
He was a business man, with his own shop in the 1891 & 1901 cencus's, in the trade directories etc.......
And then he vanished
No Trace anywhere, no deaths, no marriages, and non of the family knew he even existed, which I have to say upset me a little as without him goodness knows where my gt-grandad would have ended up.
A few months ago I was looking into his nephew who I knew emigrated to Australia in the late 1920s.
I was putting his wifes details into the ships manifest lists on FMP & for some reason I decided to put in some of my 'missing' info relatives ................ And there he was ...............
I checked the age, and occupation, and then went into the Australian Army records online just to see if he had served ................... Date & place of birth and occupation all there for me to read ......... Along with his wifes name - and even his date of death in the 1950s!!!
no wonder I couldnt find any info on him - he Emigrated!
(We had wondered why his nephew emigrated all alone - it would seem form reading between the lines now on family letters he had contact with his uncle in Australia - passages in letters that made no sense before now make perfect sense!)
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Manchester – Bate(s) / Bebbington / Coppock or Coppart / Evans / Mitchell / Prince / Smith
Cheshire Latchford – Bibby / Savage / Smith.
Cheshire Macclesfield, Bollington & Rainow – Childs / Flint / Mc'rea
Cheshire Crewe – Bate(s) / Bebbington
Shropshire Wellington, Wobwell – Smith
Walsall Midds – Smith
Also looking for:
Mc'Rea/McCrea – Ireland to Cheshire
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any relatives of Margaret Bibby married to Thomas Smith all over country
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coombs
RootsChat Aristocrat
Posts: 1261
Thomas Roberts & Mary Ann Walder 1864 Marriage
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Hi
Yes and with all the evidence I have I have proven that my 3xgreat grandfather emigrated.
The 1900 US census is worth its weight in gold as that is the only one that gives month and year of birth. Thomas was born in Dec 1827 in Darlington and had a daughter Elizabeth born in April 1852 and that matched the 1900 US census.
That is why you need to see if they did emigrate.
Ben
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Researching:
LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET/SOMERSET Coombs, pre 1780s.
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Palding
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham.
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe.
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster.
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk 1700s.
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift.
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain.
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