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trish251
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Jen, Kirsty, NorrieG and all
I am having trouble putting all this information together - I didn't realise when I started the thread how much assistance I would receive - apart from anything else I need to split my Boyds and Kilgours.
Then I have William Kirsop - his mother being given as Jane Brown but JenB & Gadget thinking Jane Hudspith is in the right place at the right time to be his mother - with much to support this idea. Still wish he had married in Scotland! I haven't yet traced William's son in Australia - perhaps some descendants have done some research - although they would start with the Brown reference as well.
Norrie - the picture is fabulous & the 1936 for Jane's death could be most likely - as at some stage in the 1900s she was corresponding with family in Australia - I have an address in Dysart, for Aunt Jane (Mrs W Boyd) that I shall find.
Kirsty - from 1881 Census it is obvious Ann was NOT 67 when she married James Kilgour, I shall check her census age.
More soon - many thanks
Trish
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trish251
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I did assume it was acceptable to answer everyone on a single post - saving space and all that. But I do have 3 different family groups here that may well need further discussion.
William Kirsop - for want of an alternative, it would seem (and others agree) that he may be the son of George Kirsop and Jane Hudspith. Thank you for the link & transcript JenB - I still haven't installed adobe Flash, so can't yet view the image - thus the transcription is most useful.
Snows green is part of the township of Benfieldside - which may be the Bamfield I read on the death certificate. If I could just remove the name Brown! It could well be that my distant Aunt, wife of William, selected the name Brown at random? I think my families like to do this type of thing. As their marriage certificate will only tell me the father's name, I am not sure I wish to spend 7 pounds, although it would contain an occupation which may help.
I will "pencil in" these parents but am unsure as to where to search for any further verification. Or do I consider it finished? 
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kirstyfairfull
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Trish ,
Sould have said James 55y b Kettle Ann 49y b Auchterderran.Kirsty
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Dundee. Pullar, Gray, Calman,Halket.
Fife, Auchterlonie, Binnie, Briggs,Dempster,Herd,Mann,Kidd, Grubb, Rollo,Henderson,McLaren, Fairfull,Weir. Just to name a few.
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trish251
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Hi Beans
That is interesting - can you tell me the where? of the birth. Tis rather too late for my man, but if related, I wonder if it caused the name confusion?
Trish
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IGJONES
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Hello, Barbara Boyd (born 1828 in Kinghorn) had two children to George Allan (ploughman of Dunning) out of wedlock. These kids were Betsy Allan born abt. 1838 in Dunning and Mary Ann Allan born abt. 1845. Betsy Allan married my great grandfather James Ritchie in 1872.
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trish251
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Hi IGJones
Are you sure it is the same Barbara Boyd. If she was born in 1828, it seems most unlikely that she would have a child when she was 10 years old? 1845 seems more likely, she would have been 17.
In 1841, the one of my interest is listed on the census as 13 years old and at home with her family
1841 Census of Scotland 326/00 005/00 005
Abernethy, Perth - Clunie Mill
Peter Boyd 45 Bleacher N
Barbara do 40 N
Janet Boyd 20 Bleacher N
Peter Boyd 15 do N
Barbara do 13 N
Robert Do 12 N
William do 10 N
Henry do 7 Y
John do 3 Y
and in 1851 she is listed with her husband to be (despite the names on the census they married in 1852)
1851 Census Scotland
Backway Kelso Roxburg
William Kirsop 30 head Railway Platelayer England
Barbara Kirsop 29 wife Kinghorn Fifeshire (age variation)
Are we talking about the same family?
Do you have them on the census? Under what name Allan or Boyd? I see the marriage on the IGI in 1872
Trish
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IGJONES
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Hello Trish,
Yes you are correct, my fat fingers getting in the way of a good story. Betsy/Elizabeth Allan was born 1846/47 to Barbara Boyd and George Allan.
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trish251
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Hi Ian
So are you still saying my Barbara Boyd was the parent? She went to England and then Australia - who brought up the children. Did she desert the family? If the couple weren't married - what name was the child baptised under?
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IGJONES
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Hi Trish,
Yes it looks that way. Betsy Allan lists Barbara Boyd as her mother on her marriage and death certificate. George Allan looked after the girls until they left and worked as domestics. On Betsy's death certificate she is listed as 'illegitimate' to Barbara Boyd (domestic servant). Barbara's parents were Peter Boyd and Barbara Kilgour.
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trish251
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Well that's interesting - not surprising. I often wonder about 20th century morality - I seem to have found more births before marriage in my 19th century ancestors than I ever found after marriage (which may be a slight exaggeration - but if I add in the ones that were 6 months pregnant when they married  ).
Would we then be distant cousins? I descend directly from Janet - sister to Barbara. She was my gg grandmother. We must be of the same generation? sharing ggg grandparents.
I shall have to see if I agree with all this  Most interesting. Are you in Scotland Ian?
Trish
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IGJONES
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Hi Trish,
No, I am in Victoria right now. Born in Perth W.A. but my work takes me all over Australia. Yes, I am going back to the drawing board to make sure I have it right - and the researchers who are looking at things in Scotland. My grandmother came from Glasgow and my grandfather James Ritchie is a product of the second marriage of James Snr to Janet Guthrie Ramsay. James married Janet after the death of Betsy. So I would assume we are half cousins, if there is such a thing. Where do you have your Barbara Boyd in the 1841 Census?
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gav448
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Hi Trish,
I just googled Kilgour family tree and came across this, you seemed to have mentioned the Kilgour name, which there is no other Kilgours I've ever met in my Life apart from My family.My name is Gavin Reekie but my mothers maiden name is Kilgour and all the family still live in Levenmouth, Fife.I dont know if we might be very long distant relations, im very ignorant about researching family trees etc but I do find it very interesting.Just thought id mention it, dont know if it is relevant at all 
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- but if Ann was 49 in 1881, she was probably 37 on the marriage certificate - sure doesn't look like a 3. Having 2 children in the next few years, however, seems reasonable at that age.