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tulstig
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Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« on: Sunday 13 September 09 09:36 UTC (UK) »

I have kate Kirby on the 1891 census aged 13 with her mother, Elizabeth Bell (Married Charles Bell after Kate was born), aged 33 in Skelton, Yorkshire.
After this I cannot find her.  Embarrassed BOth kate and Elizabeth were born in Hurworth, Durham.

I beleive she married Hugh Robert Gunn in 1902 in Skelton, but can't find any record, and that they had 4 children - again can't  find them anywhere. 1911 census included.

I can't even find Hugh Robert Gunn before this date.  Unfortunately I know no more abut him.

Am I looking in the right places, or is my info wrong?

Any help much appreciated.
Cheers all.
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:14 UTC (UK) »

Births Jun 1874   
 
Gunn  Hugh Robert     W. Derby  vol 8b page 402


just need to find him in 1901  Roll Eyes
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

starting in 1881 ....

RG11/3669; Folio: 69; Page: 22 - Everton, West Derby District
57 Paley Street (& Shop)


Eliza R. Gunn 30  WIDOW Head Shopkeeper born Liverpool
Hugh R. Gunn 6  son do
John A. Gunn 9 months  son do
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:28 UTC (UK) »

1891 - RG12/2992; Folio 104; Page 45 - West Derby
Gairwen Street ?


seems to have dropped 'Hugh' - a 'CC' Clerk lodging with the Cooper household in West Derby

 
Robert Gunn 16  Lodger CC Clerk Liverpool

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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:38 UTC (UK) »

been trying to find his Mother & brother.


I suspect she was Eliza Ruth Cox, and possibly remarried a Magnus Cromarty   .... but maybe brother John has died by 1891 ...

Deaths Mar 1884 
 
Gunn  John  age=3  W. Derby vol 8b page 369
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »

1901
Charles Bell  36 Head Stainton in Cleved, Yorkshire, England Coachman not domestic

Meggie Bell 12 Dau Skelton in Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Ethel Bell    10 Dau Skelton in Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Harry Bell 9 Son Skelton in Cleveland, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Bell    40 Wife Hurworth, Durham, England

Living at 13 North Terrace, Skelton

Piece: 4567; Folio: 5; Page: 1.
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 September 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »

totally elusive in 1901 !

as are marriages of a Gunn to Kirby or Bell  ...

However, I wondered about this birth in the Guiseboro District - MMN=Bell ? (covers Skelton)

Births Jun 1915  
 
Gunn  Harry  MMN=Bell  Guisbro  v9d p950
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 September 09 11:01 UTC (UK) »

There are no GUNN marriages in Guisborough (which includes Skelton) district from 1890 onwards.

There are a few births:

Annie Cecilia 1901
Hugh Robert 1903
Catherine 1904         death aged 0 1904
John Charles 1905
Margaret Elizabeth 1909

and a Harry with mother's maiden name Bell in 1915

Although the children born before 1911 (apart from Catherine) did not die before 1911, I can't see them on 1911 census.
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 September 09 11:03 UTC (UK) »

I'd say they were deffo around Skelton post 1901 ....


Births Jun 1903   
 
GUNN  Hugh Robert     Guisbro'  v9d p527   


Births Sep 1904 
 
Gunn  Catherine     Guisbro'  v9d p511
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 September 09 11:15 UTC (UK) »

Wow- you guys are hot! Thank you. I had found a couple of the post 1901 births, but lack of the family on 1901 or 1911 has me stumped- perhaps I'll need to go through skelton census page by page as maybe mistranscribed?

Thank you again. WIll kep searching.
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 27 September 09 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Could this be Kate in 1901?

in household of John Edward  YATES   Cotton Spinner Manufacturer
   
Kate BELL     servant    single 23 House Maid Domestic     Hurworth  Yorkshire

RG13 Piece 3832 Folio 173 Page 4     
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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 27 September 09 18:41 UTC (UK) »

entering Kate (no surname), birth 1878 +-3yrs, place of birth Hurworth, in the 1911 census index search

- she is there, living in the Guisborough area, indexed with surname GINN  Roll Eyes

other occupants seem to be the children - John b.1906 and Margrett b.1908, didn't see Hugh Robert in the index
you'll need to spend some credits to see the full household - that should tell you how long she has been married, which will maybe help to find this elusive marriage!

Barbara  Smiley

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Re: Kate (Catherine) Kirby (1878)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 28 September 09 08:23 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Ecneps,

Will get full original transcript -  I have a few credits hanging around. Will keep you posted,

Cheers,
Mark
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