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Topic: Merthyr Cynog - Ty'n y wern COMPLETED (Read 1111 times)
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MarMnkly
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Hello again, I've think I've found 'Ty'n y wern' after spending hours on the COFLEIN mapping site www.coflein.gov.uk/
looking at all the house and farm names around the Merthyr Cynog/Upper Chapel areas. There is a house/farm of the same name just north of Upper Chapel on a turning of the B4519 in a lane comprising three or four properties/farms and a chapel
In order to try to confirm that this is definately the place, I wondered if anyone who has access to the 1861 census to look to see if adjacent farms or houses listed on the census match nearby properties on the COFLEIN map as neighbours?
My family are listed in the 1861 census as follows [sorry I haven't got the piece or folio details] for Breconshire, Merthyr Cynog - Tinriwern
MUNCLE George Head, marr, 50, farmer of ? acres, Hay
MUNCLE Janet marr, 46, Llanfihangel n bran
plus family members
Adjacent properies on the modern map are:
Pantycelyn
Mynachdy
Gyrn Allt
Cwmllanerch
Any help with this would be gratefully appreciated
Margaret 
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Surname Interests Massey, Munkley, Powell, Thompson, Thurkettle Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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osprey
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 3625
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Don't think much of the enumerator's writing on the 1861 for this district. 
The run of farm names appears to be
Cwmpistill
Vanfawr
Blaengwy
( Muncles)
Vanisha/Vanisaf
Neuadd/Noyadd
Can't see any of the modern names you give. This is the enumerator's description from 1871
"the whole division of Yskirfechan from the Cross Keys Public House of Merthyr Cynog to Pontfaen; and from Pontfaen to Alltcerig, and to Pant Farm House, and to Pentwyn Farm House and to Bailey Richard, crossing the river Yskirfechan to Car Farm house, adjoining Llanfihangel nant Bran parish and to Blaangwy Farm house and to Noyadd farm house."
Powys archives would appear to have detailed maps that might help
http://history.powys.org.uk/school1/brecon/mer1887.shtml
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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it was one of several uninhabited on the 1881, and it doesn't appear on the 1891, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope for the buildings, but glad you identified them.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Kayzee
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Posts: 259
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi,
Are you still looking for information on Tyn y wern? There are still buildings between Neuadd & Blaengwy (not sure what but certainly unoccupied). I know the owners of the land, would you like me to contact them to find out if they know if they are called Tyn y wern?
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Alsop/allsop,Debanks,Pidock, Nevill, Milward,Loxley,Holmes,Garton,Lowe
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Kayzee
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Posts: 259
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Hi Margaret,
Have spoken to the owners, there is nothing left of the house, but part of the barn & cowsheds are still standing. I shall go for a walk on the weekend to see what is there & will send you a personal mail with exact directions etc and/or a photo.
Kay
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Alsop/allsop,Debanks,Pidock, Nevill, Milward,Loxley,Holmes,Garton,Lowe
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