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2shea
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1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« on: Saturday 30 August 08 08:16 UTC (UK) »

I am again on the hunt for gt gt grandad Joseph William Gallington born May 1870 but still cannot find him in the 1871 census so have taken another tack.
His birth certificate shows Mum as MaryJane Gallington nee Allen and dad is William Joseph Gallington, His address then was 10 Bridgewater Square,
I have found dad living at Tibberton St Islington with his mum and dad and showing as unmarried. He was married but to Catherine Mary Jane Nolson in 1868 but she too seems to have disappeared.

I have looked up for Joseph Allen instead thinking he might be living with his Mum Mary Jane and found two Joseph Allen's about the right age. One is in Poplar   ref 37  97  and the other in Holborn  ref 8  328.

Would someone be able to check these two Joseph's out and see if he is with Mum, Mary Jane was born about 1851 in St Lukes, Middlesex according to the 1881 census.  I do think that she and William J never married but continued to live together and have about 10 kids.

thanks

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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 30 August 08 09:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi 2shea
One is in Poplar   ref 37  97  and the other in Holborn  ref 8  328.

Sorry can't find Joseph or Joseph William right age living with a Mary Jane Allen, also can't find these refs, do you have the full ones?

I found a Joseph Allen in Holborn but only a month old with mother Mary Ann Allen married to a Charles.

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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 30 August 08 09:17 UTC (UK) »

What about this?

James Joseph Nolson June 1871 Islington 1b 278

I would guess that that Mary Jane from Joseph's birth cert is Catherine Mary Jane, maybe they weren't allowed to marry by their parents as William Joseph would have only been 17? at the time of the marriage in 1868  Undecided
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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 August 08 09:27 UTC (UK) »

Oh, well done CatOne !   Cheesy

Barbara
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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 August 08 09:39 UTC (UK) »

Where she hiding in 1871 though? Mother and baby home?? and under what name?  Undecided

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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 August 08 09:42 UTC (UK) »

Second thoughts, where does the Nolson fit wilth Mary Jane Allen?  2shea has the birth cert for May 1870, not 1871 and he was Joseph William
Jun 1870 London C.    1c   24  Gallington    Joseph William       

In 1881 census, the Mary wife of William Joseph was born 1852, Catherine MJ was born 1847
Do you think that he did actually marry Catherine, does 2shea have the marriage cert or should we be looking for a marriage to Mary Allen instead?


Birth reg for CMJ
Jun 1847 Clerkenwell  3   114   Nolson    Catharine Mary Jane   

1861 census  RG9/199    Folio 50    Page 10  
3a, Corporation Lane, St James, Finsbury
NOLSON
Jane  head  Widow 44   Retired Grocer     Brighton Surrey  
Catherine   dau       14  Scholar     Clerkenwell Middlesex  
James         son       12  Scholar       Clerkenwell Middlesex

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2shea
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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 30 August 08 10:45 UTC (UK) »

I do have a marriage certificate for William Joseph Gallington and Catharine Mary Jane Nolson, for 25 Dec 1868 showing him as a minor and her at full age which would be about right. I then have the birth certificate for Joseph William in 1870. I had always assumed that the 1881 census was Catherine MJ with birth date just slightly different and it wasnt until I got Joseph's birth certificate that I go a shock to find it was Mary Jane Allen, I have two more birth certificates for other children born later with the same notation. So really weird.  I can find no marriage for WJ and MJ Allen, and dont know what happened to CMJ Nolson either - no death for either lady.  Family tales said that WJ did have two wives, so some of this must be relatively true .

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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 30 August 08 10:54 UTC (UK) »

How interesting! 

I've just been looking for 10 Bridgwater Square, which is in St. Giles Cripplegate, In 1871 the census page shows several families at No.10, but not yours.  Wade, Anderson, Barnard, Brown & Hammett

Still no sign of Mary J and baby though, or of Catherine and her mother Jane, although her brother James is married and living in London  Undecided

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Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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2shea
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Re: 1871census lookup - GALLINGTON
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 30 August 08 23:54 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for looking, always open to fresh ideas and suggestions.
I have found Catherine MJ's mother, Jane but she is back living in Yorkshire, quite a few Nolsons there in both 1871 and 1881 and looked at all the Nolson siblings, and no CMJ or Joseph.  In 1861 there was a MKJ Allen living with her father William but not there in 1871. A real mystery which I may never get to the bottom of.

Thanks again for helping - I will just keeping looking

2shea
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