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deemas
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You might be right there Macalloa. They did all seem to give their eldest sons and daughters the same Christian name as their parents. (My own parents fell out with my paternal grandparents because they wouldn't call me Fanny which was a family tradition! I am so grateful to them  Anyway I am finding it a bit confusing (just the fact that I am trying to research the name ‘Younger’ makes it tricky as the word ‘younger’ is used all the time, ie: younger sister, brother etc!)
Yes, according to his son William’s marriage Certificate, the Robert Younger who was my gg grandfather was a Brewer (deceased) and although William lived in Aberdeen at the time of his marriage, his place of birth was Alloa.
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macalloa
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Yes, I can see how you would be happy at avoiding that given name !!!
I've now come across another excellent source, "An Account of the Family of Younger" by the Rev.A.W.Cornelius Hallen, published 1889.
Here is the reference to Robert Younger that interests you - the son of James Younger (1763-1809)
"Robert, born 15th February 1802, died 10th October 1851, having married at Dumfries, in 1833, Ann McDowall, who died 1884. He had issue -
1. James, born 1834, died 1840.
2. Ann, married 1st __?__Craig, ad, J.Robinson.
3. George born 1838, died 1843.
4. Robert, born 1840, drowned at Alloa Ferry aged 5 years.
5. Mary, married __?__ Hunter, Aberdeen.
6. Hannah, married Robert Glass.
7. James, born 1846, died at Durham 1873.
8. William, born 1848, now in Aberdeen.
9. Robert, born 1850, died at Weston, Co.York 1887
Two sons named Robert - that helps to confuse the issue, literally !!!
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clootie
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I just stumbled upon this thread last night and couldn't believe my eyes. My grandmother was also Jane Younger born 1879 whose father was william younger born 1848. I never knew the relatives on this side of the family , we must be cousins!
jane had 4 children. Jane, Margaret , Violet and James. I am the youngest daughter of james (and my middle name is younger). You must be the child of one of the daughters. I have a family tree here of the Youngers back to Thomas Younger of Craigton in 1598. Not much information on it though just names and some dates.
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deemas
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Wow, am I glad I came here.
Macalloa, this is indeed the right Robert Younger. According to William's marriage Certificate his father Robert's wife was Ann McDowell. Thank you very much for your help.
Clootie I think you are my cousin. I am the daughter of Violet and you are one of Jame's two daughters (you were a bridesmaid at my wedding!!)
I'd love to see the family tree (my mother had one too, but I was never able to find it)
Is it OK to put email addresses here?
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macalloa
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Happy to help.
Therefore the bloke in Lasswade must also be your cousin, as far as I can tell.
My e-mail is
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deemas
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I'm not so sure about the Lasswade connection Macalloa. My grandmother had four children. As Clootie said, they were Jane (Jeannie), Margaret, Violet and James. Jane had one child only (She died in childbirth in what was then Persia) Margaret had no children, Violet had one daughter (me) and James had two daughters. (one being Clootie)
We might be getting to second cousins here My email address is (*)
However looking at your excerpt from the Rev Hallan's book, it does seem that Robert's son William, born in 1848 is my gg grandfather (and Clootie's too)
I have a bit of information about William Douglas Younger from the 1881 Census and he had several children. At that time William was 33 years old. His wife Jane (Edgar) was 29 and their children were Robert aged 8, Catherine aged 5, Jane Edgar Younger aged 1. They lived at No 19 South Constitution St, Aberdeen. By the time the next census happened (1891), they had moved and had more children. William Douglas (aged 8 in 1891), James aged 4 and Alexander aged 2.
So quite a lot of family to follow up on
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deemas
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Clootie, if you would like to email me I can send you copies of the various certificates I have which would interest you. Our grandmother's birth certificate, and her marriage certificate when she married James Knox Russell, and her parents marriage certificate (William Douglas Younger and Jane Edgar)
I haven't managed to get any documentation on William's father, Robert Younger and his wife Anne (McDowell) yet, but with all the information from Macalloa hopefully I can go a stage further.
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deemas
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Clootie, I also have several family photographs - ie: family groups, wedding pics, etc which I would be happy to scan and send to you.
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clootie
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My E mail is (*) . My father was also James knox Russell and he had three daughters. I do remember being a bridesmaid to a relative up in Inverurie when I was about 6yrs old. I remember your name now - I see where your user name comes from. What a small world!
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deemas
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Yes indeed Clootie. Of course I remember your father, my Uncle Jake, but I didn't know he had three daughters - I thought only two. So maybe it was one of your older sisters who was my bridesmaid. I do recollect that one of them was about 6 years old, the other perhaps a little older - thanks for your email address. I'll send you some of the pics and other info.
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macalloa
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Deemas, I suspect you are correct, second cousin to the Lasswade connection.
I'm no genealogist !!!
Maybe I should set up a website - FamiliesReunited !!!
Two aspects of the Younger clans that I noticed - many of the female members outlive their husbands by many years - and several of the children died young.
Janet Younger (nee McEwan) who was mother of George, First Viscount Leckie, outlived her husband James by 44 years. One of her other 4 sons died aged 15.
A number of the various male lines also died quite young.
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deemas
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You are doing a great job reuniting this family Macalloa. I'm in touch with Clootie and we are going to exchange photographs and information.
I have just started doing this geneaology thing. I was telling my 'new' cousin that I only went to my first class last week (find your ancestors!) and all the information I had at the time was my grandfather and grandmothers names. I've come a long way since then!! and maybe I'm even going to find a Vicount or a Baronet for my family tree! I live in Australia and I reckon when I go back next Monday I'll be top of the class ...unless one of the other people there has found a convict ancestor .... which is quite likely, and over here a convict would definitely trump a Baronet, even if he was a brewer
I'm not sure about the women in my family living longer than the men but I have noticed that there seem to be more girls born than boys. My grandfather had three daughters and a son and between the four of them they had five girls and no boys.
I'm not quite sure how I connect to Janet Younger (nee McEwan) who was mother of George, First Viscount Leckie, but I will work on it - always nice to have fancy connections
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clootie
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I have that connection for you on this family tree. It's complex and i dont have the benefit of a class -- i'm impressed.
i will type out the tree and send it to you but can tell you this much.Your grandmother jane younger born 1879 was daughter of william younger born 1848 . He was son of Robert Younger born 1802(?) this Robert's oldest brother was George Younger born 1790 he married jane hunter 1816, their oldest son james born1818 married janet mcewan 1850 and their oldest son was George Younger born 1851 . This george somehow became Viscount Leckie.
follow that if you can!
I also notic ethe girls thing I have one daughter and my sister has three girls - no boys in sight
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macalloa
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Clootie,
George Younger (1851-1929) was made 1st Viscount Younger of Leckie by a grateful Tory Party.
Here's a family photo circa 1859 by my reckoning.
He is extreme left. One of the boys, Robert (1861-1946) later Lord Blanesburgh of Alloa was not born at that point . He was a very prominent Law Lord and there is now a prominent Blanesburgh Fellowship at Balliol College, Oxford in his memory.
George took over the running of the family brewery at age 17 in 1868 on the death of his father. Under his stewardship it grew to become the third largest in Scotland - only William Younger (no relation) and William McEwan (his maternal uncle) in Edinburgh were bigger concerns.
He tried unsuccessfully to get into parliament 3 times in the local Clackmannan & Kinross constituencty, however he did stand for Ayr Burghs and was elected at the second attempt in 1906.
He was made Baronet in 1911 and Viscount in 1922. He was Chairman and Treasurer of the Tories - and Chief Whip if memory serves, I would need to double check that.
You'll have heard of the Conservative 1922 Committee ? - Well GY was the principal figure who led the revolt against the continuation of the post war coalition government which result in a Tory victory at the General Election soon thereafter.
That got him his Viscount as a reward. He wanted to be know as Viscount Younger of Alloa, however that conflicted with titles held by the Earls of Mar & Kellie, so he settled for the family estate name of Leckie, which is near Stirling.
There are many references to him if you look up the political referenes to the 1922 story etc.
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clootie
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Wow I'm more amazed every time I visit this site. To see pictures makes it all so much more real. In my family tree there are george john james william and robert. No mention of a girl who is clearly on the right of the picture. I guess girls weren't important enough to mention.
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