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janet smith
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Hi Tony sorry it's taken me a bit of time to get back to you, I've only just seen it, we have been camping near to my mums caravan, near Wem. Bill and Joan have also been up and stayed for a few days, Auntie Rhoda died two years ago she was a lovely lady, I keep in touch with Rhoda's daughter Mary, she's trying to do the Garrett side of the family, Thomas's 1st wife was Drucilla Matilda Garrett, I don't know if you remember. I have a feeling Michael died a few years ago.
My nan Edith I don't remember as she died when I was only 1, uncle Jim now lives in Kidsgrove, very near to my mum. Uncle Bill and Auntie Joan still live in Rode Heath, Tony what's your full name (if you dont mind me asking so I can tell Uncle bill. Jean Druc's daughter changed her name by depole to drucilla.
Was I right about Charles and Emma Barnett being buried at All Saints then with their son? if so I have a photo of their grave if you want it, if you havent already got it.
anyway look forward to hearing from you Janet
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Samanthapom
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Hi, I'm new to all this so bear with me.
I've been researching my family tree & discovered that my ancestors were boatpeople. The family name is Betts, the furthest I've traced back is my Great Grandfather - Abraham Betts but I believe his Father & Grandfather were also boat people from the Bilston/Stafford area.
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tony1439
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Hi Janet.
yes you were right about my grand parents Charles and Emma Fradley, being buried at Rode church. There are quite a few buried there and also married there. They were mainly Methodists,though I do have a photo of my great grandfather Ben Fradley with Salvation Army cap. He is buried at Middlewich Cemetery with his wife Ann and elder son Joshua as you probably know. My Grand father was a Trustee of the Primitive Methodist's Chapel in Thurlwood which was closed but reopened for his funeral in 1962.unfortunately I was doing my National Service in the Far East at the time. His older sister Elizabeth Price donated ( if that is the word) the Font ,your uncle Bill will remember it as he used to sing there as a boy and had a good voice as I recall. I think he will remember me being the only one with this Christian name at that time. I can't scan photos at the moment but you can have a copy if you haven't got one.There is a Portrait of him at my cousin's in Alsager but I haven't got one of Ann.I have a few photosof their children Charles, Rebecca, William, Sarah, Elizabeth and Joshua but not Ben, I'm sorry. If you have and can fill in the blanks I would be grateful for copies!
regards Tony1439
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janet smith
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Hi Tony phoned uncle Bill and yes he knows who you are Emily your mum right.. Oh and I would love a copy of any photo's you have, I have Thomas my ggrandad and his first wife Drucilla, Joshua and Samuel his brothers and their wife as they married the same woman, also Eliza ann Williams there mum, I also have a photo of Elizabeth and her husband William Price and two of their daughters Elsie and Bertha.. let me know if they are of any use, are you on ancestry? Kind regards Janet
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lindarhead
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Hi Janet( & anyone else researching the Fradley family)...Linda here...well to say I'm confused is an understatement, so confused in fact that I'm thinking of deleting everyone after Solomon & Benjamin as I'm no longer sure of their parentage, and starting again. Most folk on Ancestry.co.uk have, like us, their parents as William Fradley & Anne Podmore, but on the birth records for both Solomon & Benjamin parents are given as William Fradley & Margaret ( no maiden name given)...they're also given as parents to Hannah Fradley ( b1803 if memory serves without checking my tree) Now the only marriage record I can find for a Wm F and a Margaret is years before Benjamin's and Solomon's birth which is not to say that that isn't possible, but if it's right then we have completely the wrong William as their father.
Anyone with any helpful information please do get in touch.
Regards,
Linda
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tony1439
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To Kerry1212
Hi Kerry, what a great website you have created! You have my Fradley side( I will give you one or two additions later) My grandmother's side lists the following so far--Barnet, Grange, Brooks, Brereton, Egerton Doughand Palin( The last five from Middlewich records)
Assuming that you are not already aware of it, I would like draw your attention ( and everyone else) to a superb book called A Canal People by Sonia Rolt of the photographs of Robert Longden. Taken in the early 1950s a collection of first class photos of working life mainly around the Coventry and Oxford canals. The people including children belong to families with following names--Collins, Grantham, Berrill, Carter, Humphries, Humphreys, Skinner, Stokes, Bray, Ward, Wilson, Nixon, Monk, Hone, Taylor, Slater, Newbold, Beechey, Smith, Gibbons, Littlemore, Hanbridge, Lane, Lapworth, Whitlock, Wilson, Tonks, Beauchamp, Griffiths, Peasland, Harrison, McDonald, Anderson, Rogers, Jackson, Tom Rolt, Best, Merchant, Higgins, Boswell, Rice, Hough and others many of which will still be alive. The boats of Samuel Barlow Coal Co Ltd of Birmingham feature but there are others like Fellows Morton and Clayton and British Waterways. I would consider it a must for everyone interested in the history of families on the canals. It depicts what all our familes did. Published 1997, Paperback 1998 by Sutton Publishing Limited, Phoenix Mill, Thrupp, Gloucester, GL5 2BU. Paperback £12.99. Contains a list of books from 1878 to 1996 about Canals. I got my copy from Borders but I'm sure it could be bought through any bookshop. I'll be in touch later, Regards Tony1439
P.S. I dont have shares in shops or publishing.
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tony1439
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To Kerry1212,
Hi, I just saw that I had misspelled a name . Instead of Dough read Doughty. sorry.
Tony1439
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tony1439
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to Lindarhead.
Hi Linda, I spent a long time on the film of the parish records of Stone which shows that the records were in a poor state when filmed. Apart from some of the scribble( much of it was in a variety of legible scripts)many pages were either bleached out or indecypherable. Working from the most recent to the earliest I recorded the Fradleys as they appeared.Benjamin s/o Ben and Eliz Fradley was born4.11.1838, there were nine other births inccluding Benjamin born 2.1.1818 who had, I believed, died. I found no record of his burial. I have seen in many families the death recorded of one child and later another is given the same name. Benjamin (who maried Elizabeth) was born the son ofWilliam and Margaret Fradley. I recorded the births of their children as follows-William 10.1.1781 bt 13.1.1781.--Samuel 29.12.1783--Sarah 15.5.1786 bt22.5.1786---Thomas 4.9.1789. bt19.9.1789--John 9.6.1791 bt19.6.1791--Benjamin 8.10.1795 bt13.10.1795--Solomon 26.9.1797 bt 5.11. 1797. I also found a Solomon born 29.1.1800 and no record of death of the first Solomon. If William is working as a boatman the child could have been buried elsewhere, this could also account for the delay between birth and babtism of Benjamin.
I found that William married Margaret Bloor on 1.11.1778. she was christened Peggy on 26.61762 the daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Bloor. There were no Margarets recorded. At that time it seemed to be common practice to christen girls with a diminutive form of the name like Polly and Peggy. In the records I noted that there were other Fradleys who were probably cousins and as I said in an earlier note they came from the parishs just north of Stafford. I noted that a William was buried on16.6.1830. Does that help?
Regards, Tony1439
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tony1439
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To Lindarhead.
Hi Linda, I have just read what I typed late last night and realised that I had made a mistake.
Benjamin s/o Benjaminand Elizabeth Fradley born 2.1.1818 at Stone died and was buried on 28.1.1818. I was working from rough notes I made at the time and I was tired. Sorry.
Regards. tony1439
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lindarhead
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Thanks Tony, that's excellent, absolutely brilliant!!... 
I shall alter my family tree accordingly.
I sent you a PM with my email address in case there is any other Fradley info we can share.
Thanks again, Linda.... 
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Scragg
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I've read with great interest the information collected on this site about the Fradley family.My great grandfather was William Fradley,son of Benjamin Fradley and Ann Stanworth.He married Ellen Firkins in 1892 in Congleton ,Cheshire and they went on to have John(my grandfather),Florence, Rebecca, Ellen, Emily, Violet and William.I would be pleased to see any photos anyone has of Benjamin and Ann's children as the ones my family had and there were many as I can recall from my childhood days were sadly destroyed.My grandfather John worked on the canal boats as a young man and
married my grandmother Harriet Wall whose father was a lockkeeper at Shelton Locks.
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Joan
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Scragg
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Hello Janet, Thank you for the photo of William's sister Elizabeth.I can see the family resemblance to the photos that I remember seeing as a child of the Fradley males.They were probably of William and his brothers,but I do recall that they looked like my grandfather,John. I will try and contact other members of the family to see if they can help and will then be back in touch.Thanks again, Joan.
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Valigene
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Hi Tony,
I haven't been here for a while but I am a direct descendant of Nicholas Fradley 1679 and Jane Holland.1672, are these the two you have.
My lot came from Gayton/Kingston, and were agricultural workers.
I don't know of canal links but often wondered how my great grandfather in staffordshire met my great grandmother in Lubenham, Leicestershire. The canals are near by??
Val
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I traced William to Gayton where he was born to Thomas and Elizabeth Fradley on 16.4.1758. Thomas appeared to be an agricultural labourer as they moved around several adjacent parishes , I found no record of any more Marriages in the films of Parish records available to me at LDS family history library. but the I.G.I. has a record of the marriage of Thomas to Elizabeth Pritchard at Stowe by Chartley on 20.7.1755.I double checked the parish record with negative result. I was beginning to think that they were common law marriages and have now only tenuous links through another Thomas and Elizabeth to Nicholas and Jane and an other Nicholas and Jane whose earliest entry in Gayton was a birth in 1646.I do have more detail but it is likely that you have already researched this. If you have or Know of anyone who has I would be interested to hear if you have had more success with the early marriages. The Bloor name crops up again later linked to my grandmothers family.
I hope this is of interest.
tony1439
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Norfolk==Green, Fuller,Nelson,Allen
Staffs==Fradley,Burditt,Ward,Wood
Leicester==Hubbard,Ward,Warner,Dale.Bailey
Leicester==Royce, Cank, Shenton
Leeds=Halliday,Brooke,Woodhead
Birkenhead==Sadaski,Taylor(Jewish)(Polish)
Hull==Brown,Goldstein(Jewish)(Russian)
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meaney1955
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hello there my name is john meaney i was born in tustall staffs my g/g grandmother was alice james my grandmars name was mary ann meaney she married john my granddad i did not no the hollinshead side of the family if you would like any more info please let me no thanks john
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