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1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« on: Friday 05 September 08 21:59 UTC (UK) »

hi could sks look up
Richard Malet aged 22 At 45 Sutherland st  in the 1861 census.
and any family members .
 he marries Isabella Milner Wharton  in St Gabriel's church Plimlico in Oct. 1861  .
so its just a guess that Sutherland st is in Plimlico.
also can anyone look up and see if,
 John Milner Wharton , bath attendant  (who i have in Thomas st.1861 census. ) has a doppleganger "gentleman "  John milner Wharton in Duke street . Grosvenor Square .
thanks it might clear up a mystery for me .
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 September 08 22:18 UTC (UK) »

Hi Jan

Can you please tell us what Richard's occupation was and who his father was named as on the marriage cert?

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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 September 08 22:31 UTC (UK) »

see also

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,325711.msg2062913.html#msg2062913
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 September 08 22:37 UTC (UK) »

In 1871 there is an Agnes Wharton - a dressmaker in Duke Street
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 September 08 22:40 UTC (UK) »

Ahh, thanks Heywood!
Grin

So he names his father Colonel George Granville MALET.....

Jan, can you please clarify what you mean on the other topic,  "Richard Malet of Bombay". Is that the residence he gave when he married Isabella?
If so what was the Sutherland St address?
Do you have them in 1871 or later, Census?
What was his occupation?
Who were the witness' to the marriage?

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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 September 08 22:48 UTC (UK) »



First of all I had to look up Doppleganger ........  Cheesy .... so in case anybody else is wondering ... here it is !!  Smiley Smiley Smiley

A double, an identical replica of a person. The idea behind this is that everyone has a Doppleganger, an identical copy of themselves somewhere in the world. If the person is good, then the Doppleganger will be evil and vice versa. It is even said that if the two should meet, then they will both perish.

Although there is no evidence that Dopplegangers exist, some people have actually reported claims of witnessing what they believe to be their Doppleganger. In all likelihood however, Dopplegangers are an aspect of myth only.

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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 September 08 00:24 UTC (UK) »

there are odd Malets around b India but of course no Richard  Roll Eyes

Was he a soldier?
1861 RG9; Piece: 42; Folio: 100; Page: 16
There is a Capt Malet 23 yrs lodging at 27 Davies St - Capt Grenadier Guards - birthplace not completed.
He is lodging with a fishmonger which doesn't quite seem right somehow  Huh
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 September 08 00:41 UTC (UK) »



I was looking at the other post ....

Col Malet was not present at the Charge of the Light Brigade .... I'll check though to see if he was at Balaklava

And I think the certificate says Berwick Street ... which is in Soho ! ( which might change things a bit !! )

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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 September 08 03:59 UTC (UK) »

Have been looking and looking for 45 Sutherland Street in Pimlico 1861....
Found the address in 1871.   Found at least 3 other families in 1871 on that street, who (by births of children) should be in Pimlico in 1861 but couldn't find any of them......then I found the following:

http://www.westminster.gov.uk/libraries/archives/family-history/census.cfm
"1861 census for the Pimlico and Belgravia areas of Westminster have not survived"  Cry  Cry  Cry

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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 September 08 04:15 UTC (UK) »

Here's another bit that might fit in the puzzle.

There is a family of Malets living at 3 Oxford Sq. Paddington in 1861. It looks a possible for George Grenville Malet's widowed 2nd wife. She's an Officers widow with 5 kids, 4 of the 5 were born in India  and her husband had been in the 3rd Bengal Cavalry.

See: RG9/8/84/17

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The Malet widow has 4 children, all born in India ( see more below)
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 September 08 04:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi , dint know where my very full reply went .
newspaper reports marriage of
Richard Malet of Bombay ONLY son of Col. George Granville Malet of the Indian army to Isabella Milner Wharton daughter of JohnMilner Wharton GENTLEMAN ,duke Street Grosvenor square .

Wedding cert not that easy to read says .

Richard malet 22,Bach, Gentleman ,45 Sutherland st. father as above .
Isabella Milner Wharton 21 .spin. berwick st . john Milner Wharton . gentleman.witnesses unfortunately almost impossible to read . john ? and Harriet possibly Kemp.
st Gabriel's . plimlico.
Col. gg. Malet was commander of 3rd light brigade and died in the charge in 1856, I think in Persia . happy to look that up on google .
its mystery . love to find out what happens to this couple . thanks everyone .
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 September 08 04:19 UTC (UK) »

hi the Paddington thing is interesting because thats where the Wharton's lived for a hundred years from 1849 on .at least puts them in the same vicinity. makes you wonder whats true . have you got their names and gender of that Malet family  because in 1861 paper report Richard is claiming to be only son of g.g.
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 September 08 04:44 UTC (UK) »

The family at Oxford Sq. in Paddington consist of:

Allan T. Maclean, Head, 66, Major General Br. Army, b. Scotland
Agnes, 53, the General's Wife, b. Scotland
Mary H. Malet, Dau, 34, the Oficer's widow, b. India
Agnes A. Maclean, Dau, 11, b. Middsx
Agnes Malet, Grnd Dau, 8, b. India
Mary Malet, Grnd Dau, 7, b. India
Bessie Malet, Grnd Dau, 6, b. India
Allan G. Malet, Grnd Son, 5, b, India
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 September 08 07:24 UTC (UK) »

hi thank you for that. i am going to pass it on to the one name study to work out .See if Col. George malet wife was a McLean .
As Richard Malet is 22 in 1861 i will see if he can be son of 1st wife .
thank you.
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Re: 1861 census look up . Malet .plimlico
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 September 08 09:46 UTC (UK) »

I think this web site outlines Mary Maria Fleming TAYLOR, the wife of George Grenville MALET
http://www.gencircles.com/users/robinp/2/data/3497

It says her mother Agnes Lisle FORLONG was married 3 times. Husband John TAYLOR who Mary Maria's father died 1828 .  Agnes then remarried to a LAWRENCE (died 1840) and then to  (General) Allan Thomas McLEAN.

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