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Topic: Ballinger in 1911? -COMPLETED (Read 294 times)
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nbrome
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I did post this as an off-shoot in the 1911 census discussion in the General, but please bear with me. It's gnawing at me all the time and I just want to know if I'm missing something.
I can't find the Ballingers of Castleblakeney/Course in the 1911 census.
It's not a common name. Yes, I know there are Ballingers in Normangrove and Gort but they are distant relatives at the most.
My Ballinger was down as Bollinger in the Griffiths Valuation in Course. They are still there in the Leitrim/Roscommon transcription of the 1901 census. At that point there is Michael and Bridget with some of their children. I've tracked all their children, most of whom went to the US, but in 1911 they should still be there with the last son, John.
John eventually emigrated to New York in 1919. On his entry papers he says he came from Castleblakeney. I think the parents died in the 1920's, if the LDS site is correct. They were still living there when they died, I'm sure of this because the farm was taken over by my grandfather who returned there from England in 1926.
Why can't I find them? It could be an error, but I've looked at all the houses in Castleblakeney and Course and didn't find an empty one! I've also searched the entire county but could only find those others mentioned above.
Michael Ballinger was a travelling butcher so I can see why he might have been absent. But would he have been going as far as another county? More to the point, would he be taking his wife and son along?
On the back of the first census page there is a part for people absent from their addresses on that night. It's filled in with an example, for the benefit of enumerators. I haven't been able to find an actual example of this part being filled in. Do you have any info on this? And anyway, there should be an empty house........
Sorry if some of you have already spent time on this. But this site is so helpful. If you agree they are not there then I will finally accept it.........
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shanew147
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On the Form B1 (House & Building Return) for the townland of Course there is an unoccupied private house at plot number 5. The land owner is listed as the district council.
see : http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002420204/
Some of the surnames listed on the 1901 census seem to match those present on the 1911 listing, but it does look like some families moved out.
Castleblakeney and Course are not that far from the border with Co. Roscommon - maybe 10 to 15km
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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nbrome
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Thanks, Shane. I did see that house. I more or less dismissed it, as also the possibility of their moving out, as their holding was passed onto my grandfather in 1926. Of course, it may have belonged to the district council at some point but that house is down as unoccupied and I can't think where they would have gone in 1911.
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aghadowey
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Ignoring the spelling of the surname would this family fit?-
Michael Banager (age 54), wfe Bridget (age 49, 7 children/6 children living), son John (age 22)- Gallagh, Castleblakeney, Galway.
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shanew147
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that one could fit..
the ages are close to what would be expected from the 1901 data
Michael 45 - 54
Bridget 40 - 49
John 9 - 22
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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aghadowey
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The reason I thought it might be then is the right names in the right area and wondering if someone thought the spoken "Ballinger" was pronounced "Banager." Will be interesting to see if the couple were supposed to have had 7 children (with one dead before 1911).
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shanew147
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I notice from the census form that Michael says he cant read - but has signed the form...
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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nbrome
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I love you, I love you!
This is them! I'm sure it is, I'm so excited I am dancing around.
I can't have a look at it on site because it's overloaded with people waiting for the next counties (Get Off there!!!) but never mind, I can put up with that.
Yes, in 1911 Michael and Bridget had 6 living children (one of them my grandfather). I didn't know about the one that died.
To think I did all kinds of combinations of that name. Wild cards too.
Of course, I was wrong about the placename within Castleblakeney. I can't wait to see where this place is in regards to the village centre. Funny thing is, we used to go there on holiday when we were little but the only thing I remember is being sent to the well for water.
What a wonderful site, what wonderful people, you have made my day. Music please. All together now, "When Irish eyes are smiling.............."
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aghadowey
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So glad that it is the correct family (was almost afraid to post as surname was a bit unexpected). I tried searching by names with same result as you (nothing!) but finally did search for Michael (first name), Galway (county) and Castleblakeney (DED) as it seemed like they should be there.
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shanew147
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great to hear that you've found them!
Castleblakeney town, and the townlands of Course and Gallagh are all in the same barony/civil parish of Tiaquin/Killosolan so look to be close together.
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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