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annette ellen
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I am hoping that someone may be able to help me find some information regarding Mary Ann Scott and James Kelly. 
What I know is that James and Mary married when ?? and they had a daughter Mary Ann Kelly who was 18 years old when she married a Anthony Christie in 1890 in the Parish of Kilsyth, County of Sterling.
I am hoping that someone can help me with any info about Mary Ann Scott and any family that there may be.
Regards
Annette 
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Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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daval57
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Given the info you have, I played about on SP to try and narrow things down.
Try deaths,
Surname "scott"
Forename: "mary" *will retun any names with Mary, ie, Mary Ann, Mary A, Mary Anne....
Other Surname "kelly"
Sex: "Female"
Year From: 1872; Year To: 1972; *extremes!!
Only 8 results, none in Stirling. 1 Mary Ann - too young but ages on death certs often wrong.
Might be worth a look at each - online will cost £1 GBP
You might get lucky on the first search
Dave
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annette ellen
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Hi Dave,
Thank you for your reply. It is a real hard family to find.
I will have to check with my in-laws .
I have a copy of the marriage cert and I do know that my late Mother-in law has often told me that some of the Kelly family were born in Ireland, but I am not sure which ones were. 
Where the Scott family comes from I do not know.
Many thanks for your help.
Regards
Annette
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham, Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Annette
This looks like Anthony and Mary Ann, recently married in 1891:
Anthony Christie 24, coal miner, b. Cumbernauld
Mary Ann Christie 19, b. Cumbernauld
Address: No 42 Auchenstarry Row, Cumbernauld
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Annette
Birth places a bit different by 1901:
Anthony Christie 30, coal miner, b. Kn (not known?)
Mary Christie 28, b Kilsyth Stirlingshire
Mary Christie 8, b. Kilsyth
Rose Christie 6 , b. Kilsyth
Kate Christie 3, b. Kilsyth
Alice Christie 2, b. Kilsyth
Address: 22 Dunkop St, Cambuslang
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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This is the closest I can for the Kellys in 1881, assuming the Cumbernauld birth place in 1891 was correct:
James Kelly 36, coal miner, b. Ireland
Mary A Kelly 32, b. Ireland
Hugh Kelly 15
John Kelly 10
Mary A Kelly 8
Alice Kelly 6
James Kelly 4
Address: Auchanstarry Row No 54, Cumbernauld
Actually, looking at the address for Anthony and Mary Ann in 1891, this must be her family!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Annette
What surname is showing for Mary Ann Kelly's mother ?- Not getting SCOTT on the birth registrations of children's births in Cumbernauld (IGI), Her name is showing as Mary Ann MCANULTY...and its many variants!
Not easily seeing their marriage in Scotland on IGI probably down to spelling variants of Mary Ann's surname or maybe they married in Ireland. Mary Ann b. 1873's birth cert. in Cumbernauld will include date and place of parents' marriage.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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annette ellen
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Hi Monica,
I have had your help before regarding this family and I am now trying to find where Mary Ann Scott and James Kelly come from.
I had a lot of info that I had to put together and I have started again trying to get other lines hopefully. 
I do have the marriage certificate of their daughter Mary Ann Kelly and Anthony Christie and it says that mother is Mary Ann Scott.
They were married Fourth of August 1890 at St Patricks Church Kilsyth, after publication according to the rites of the Catholic Church.
Mary's age is written as 18, and it is in the Parish of Kilsyth in the County of Sterling.
If I can find out where Mary Ann was born it will help me with putting the tree together.
Regards
Annette.
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham, Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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MonicaLesl
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 I am going gaga - we've done all this before haven't we Annette. No wonder the names all seemed familiar
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,289141.0.html
I think from before, the only two areas which were outstanding:
1. Confusion over mother Mary Ann's surname. Scott v. McAnulty. I am 99.99% sure that Mary Ann mother was McAnulty and that Scott was put down in error on the 1890 MC. Did you ever check Mary Ann Kelly/Christie's death cert to see what surname was put down? From Mary Ann Snr.'s death cert in Kilsyth in 1921 I can now see where the confusion might have arisen. Mary Ann Snr.'s mother was Elllen SCOTT married to a James McNulty.
You have all the census info from 1871 onwards for the families (Kelly and Christie) and the birth reg. of Mary Ann Kelly in 1873 in Cumbernauld with mother as McAnulty.
2. Where in Ireland were James Kelly and Mary Ann McAnulty from and where did they marry? All the census entries for the Kellys simply show Ireland. There is no marriage showing that I can see in Scotland, so likely they married in Ireland before they came over to Scotland. Often when there is no County of birth in Ireland on the Censuses, the only other place to check for clues is children's birth registrations given that in Scotland from the early 1860s, the place and date of marriage for the parents was included on the certificate. Mary Ann 1873 shows 1863 Ireland for parents' marriage, son Hugh 1865 shows 1864 Co. Donegal (but writing is faint). The Kelly births in Cumbernaul for that period all seem to relate to this family. You might want to have a look at other certs for the children to triple verify!
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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annette ellen
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Hi Monica,
I did not mean to repeat myself, but I was trying to find out were the Mary Ann Scott came into all this. I am going to get some certificates and hopefully they will help me sort all this out.
I hope that it is an easy process that you go through to get them.
Many thanks for all the extra information and am sorry for the trouble I may have caused.
Regards
Annette.
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham, Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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MonicaLesl
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Annette
No need to apologise It just helps with posts if you put links to any previous information so that people don't start repeating what you already have (including me repeating what I had already done but forgotten about ).
We have got some new info from this current post. We have found that Mary Ann McAnulty's mother's maiden name was SCOTT which may well explain the error/confusion on young Mary Ann's marriage details.
You also have the year/place of James Kelly and Mary Ann's marriage (1863 or 4) and the begining of clues as to where they may have come from in Ireland (Co. Donegal).
So, all new additional info for you to follow up on.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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annette ellen
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Hi Monica,
Thank you for that exrta information.
I have a question which I hope you maybe able to help with ?
In the 1901 census info you had sent me about the Christie family with Anthony 30, Mary 28, Mary 8, Rose 6, Kate 4 and Alice 2 which is okay, but Tom my better half has said that there was a Anthony Christie who he assumed was the first born .
He does not know now (after I showed him the census ) Anthony got married and he can not remember her name and they had two Daughters.
The Spanish Flu cameinto Scotland from the Soldiers back from the war and he thinks in about 1919/1920 and thousands died from it. 
Both Anthony and his wife died from it and the 2 girls were raised by their Grandparents and Helen Christie (my Mother in Law ) always thought that they were her sisters. 
Is there any way to find out when he was married and when they died at all, they were both young and he thinks that the girls may have been born in the 1920's.
If you can help that would be great.
Regards
Annette.
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Dundee, Montrose, Perthshire, Errol,- Ireland , Birmingham, Huddersfield, England, Rotterdam, Holland.
Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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MonicaLesl
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Your husband is absolutely right Annette
There was a son Anthony, born to Anthony and Mary Ann. He married a Mary Connelly in Kilsyth in 1915 and died in 1919 in Kilsyth from pneumonia. Father Anthony reported.
You could do a free search on SP for births of Christies between 1915-19 to see what names come up on SP and whether your husband recognises the names.
Mmmm. Just checked for deaths for Mary Connelly Christie and she died in Glasgow in 1917 by the look of it, age 25. So births for children 1915-17? Maybe Glasgow (the death of Mary showed in Bridgeton.
On the census for 1901, no idea why son doesn't show. There is no entry for him on SP also in 1901. There is only one in his age group and he is down as Anthony G Christie, boarding in Glasgow, father maybe Robert, hard to tell from how the entry is listed on the index.
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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There is a birth entry coming up on SP for an Anthony Christie in 1891 in Cumbernauld where all the families show in 1891, maybe his?
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annette ellen
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Hi Monica,
Thanks for that information.
He thought that he was right as he can remember meeting all the Aunts and Uncles except Anthony.
After reading you answer, he has told me that Anthony's girls were always known as Lizzie and Daisy but he was not sure of what there correct names were.
Each time I try and do a free search on SP which is Scotlands People (am I right) it never seems to let me get in. Do you have to be a registered member at all. I will keep on trying.
Many thanks again.
Annette.
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Kettles, Kettle, Young, Archibald, Smith, Greive, Philp, Gibson, Mason, Bent, White, Cunneen, Cahill, Frost, Bridges, Mothersole, Money, Roche/Roach, Lenehan/ Linehan/ Linahan, Leonard, Sayles, Waren/Warren, Johnson, Berigan/Bergin/Berrigan/Birgin, Janssen.
Steel, McNab, Christie, Kelly, Fraser.
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