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australind
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BENNETT from Aspley Guise for benben
« on: Wednesday 10 September 08 03:13 UTC (UK) »

benben,
Whilst researching my Bennett line from Aspley Guise
(Caroline,dau.of John/Elisabeth plus her 14 siblings)
i kept notes on any Bennett information i came across.
Ref.your Thomas Bennett bp.,24 Sept1809 at L/B., son
of William/Ann.
On 14th Jan.1838 at St.Paul's Bedford ,Thomas Bennett
of full age/Batchelor/ a Brewer/living Conduit St.,/son of
William Bennett a Brewer married Sarah Parish/Spinster
living High St.,/dau.of William Parish a Farmer.
Thomas signed/Sarah made her mark.

Regards,australind.


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AMBLY
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 10 September 08 05:40 UTC (UK) »

Welcome to Rooschat australind Grin

This is link to benben's topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=319122.new#new

Cheers
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Juben
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 30 August 09 02:56 UTC (UK) »

Hi there Australind

I have just joined Rootschat and would like to find out more about the Bennetts of Aspley Guise. I am descended from John Bennett b 31 Oct 1807 to John and Elizabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise. I believe that John is the brother of your ancestor Elizabeth.

John and his wife Sarah Gibbard were married in Luton 13 Jan 1831 and had at least 5 children that I have been able to trace (via IGI). They died of typhoid around 1844 when my gggrandfather Frederick Jabez (FJB) was born. FJB emigrated to NZ in 1863 (aged 19) with a brother Thomas and a sister Ann. I can find no record of Thomas' birth and no record of what happened to him or Ann after they came to NZ. For a time, we thought Thomas was from the previous generation of Bennetts but recently uncovered a letter from FJB to his cousin Benjamin Bennett the brewer that describes Thomas as his brother (not uncle).

I am really trying to tie together all the Bennetts as there are so many Williams, Johns and Thomas's! I have only found 10 children of John and Elizabeth, not the 14 you mention.

Separately, I am trying to track Sarah Gibbard's lineage. All I know is that her father was William Gibbard of Lewsey Farm. There were also Bennetts at Lewsey Farm (a William) so am wondering whether there might be a wider connection between Bennetts and Gibbards.

Thank you - any pointers appreciated. Juben


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 30 August 09 03:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Juben,
Welcome to Rootschat

It seem the 2 main researchers of this Family ( from both threads) have not been on-line on Rootschat since 2008. ( if you click on the user name on left side of page it will tell when they last posted)
Hopefully one or both of them will get an email informing them of your postings.

Cheers,
Trish


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Juben
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 30 August 09 04:01 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Trish! And I meant to say that the John I refer to in my first para is the brother of Australind's ancestor Caroline. Elizabeth is another daughter of John and Elizabeth. Juben


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 August 09 08:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,

I have just started looking at this for you. Is it possible that Thomas had another name eg James Thomas Bennett?
I am only suggesting this as Frederick is reg as
Jabez Frederick Bennett but obviously was known as Frederick.

Trish


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Juben
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 August 09 10:54 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Trish. I guess that is possible but the shipping records list him as Thomas A Bennett. The only children of John and Sarah that I have managed to identify via the IGI (and this was some years ago now) were: Ann (b 30 June 1832), Hannah Foll (19 Jan 1834), John (12 July 1835), Edward (5 July 1837) and FJB (3 April 1844). I have never managed to find death records for John and Sarah. I believe that Thomas died in Nov 1902 and Edward in Dec 1902 but I don't know where. I'm further confused by FJB referring to his grandfather as Thomas Bennett, farmer and brewer of Aspley Guise but I think he means his great-grandfather. I'm not sure if I need to subscribe to something to get further info? I do appreciate your interest.


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 August 09 13:44 UTC (UK) »

Do you have Census records for this family.

I have found Frederick in 1861, apprentice Shoemaker.

Thomas, age 8 and Frederick aged 6, both born Luton, are in the workhouse in 1851 Census.

1841 Census
North Place
Luton, Bedfordshire
HO107/4/19/Luton

John BENNETT, 33, Baker, Born in County, yes
Sarah, 30, NOT born in County
Ann, 9, yes
John, 5, yes
Edward, 3, yes
Benjamin, 1, yes
Benjamin BENNETT, 14, Apprentice Baker, yes
Benjamin ADAMS, 25, Shoemaker, no

Extra child Benjamin and other Benjamin must be the cousin? As 1841 relationships not shown difficult to know.

EDWARD BENNETT

In 1841 Edward is at home with parents

1851 a servant in the Flemons household, Leighton Buzzard

1861 He is married to Elizabeth, with son Frederick age 1. He is a Miller living in Marsworth, Buckinghamshire. Also in household is James PEARSON, grand-father, Miller age 75.

1871 Elizabeth is now Mary.E, same pob though, extra Child Sarah, born 1863

1881 Still in Bucks, corn miller, children still at home. No more children born.

1891 They have moved to Herefordshire and both children have left home

1901 Still in Tring, Herts

Marriage;
Edward BENNETT
Mary Elizabeth PEARSON
March 1859
Berkhampstead 3a 359

Death;
Edward BENNETT
December 1902
Berkhampstead 3a 434
Age 65

Mary Elizabeth BENNETT
September 1908
Berkhampstead 3a 361
Age 71

So at least you now know he died in Hertfordshire!

Will try and find some of the others


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 30 August 09 14:14 UTC (UK) »

THOMAS.A.BENNETT

1851 Thomas is in Luton Workhouse with Frederick as stated earlier.

1861 Thomas. A Bennett is a grocers assistant, born Luton Beds. He is living in the household of George Bailey Grocer/Ironmonger in Dawley, Shropshire

Its nice to think that they all got together again to emigrate to New Zealand.
Found them on the "Queen of the Mersey" arriving 27 November 1863

I havent found Ann yet in 1861 census. I hope I am not going over everything you already had.

Trish


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 August 09 14:51 UTC (UK) »

OK I made a big mistake with 1841 census as there are extra people listed on the actual image that are not listed on Ancestry summary page Roll Eyes

I have amended it.
Sarah Gibbard/Bennett is not born in County

Could this be her christening;

Sarah GIBBARDS
08 June 1812, Bloxham, Oxford, England
Parents WILLIAM and MARY
Only female siblings on batch,
Ann GIBBERDS, 19 August 1810
MaryGIBBERDS, 06 January 1807

+
William GIBBARD, 04 May 1814, Bloxham, Oxford

Possible marriage;
Wm GIBBERD
Mary KNIGHT
1807, Bicester, Oxford
( oxford marriage transcripts 1538-1837)

All extracted records IGI


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Orpheus
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 August 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »

From FreeBMD:

Birth Mar Qtr 1842 Luton Reg Dist Thomas Albert BENNETT

Death Mar Qtr 1848 Luton Reg Dist Sarah BENNETT
Death June Qtr 1849 Luton Reg Dist John BENNETT

In 1861 Edward and family are living in Marsworth, Buckinghamshire. There is no such place as Rochester in Buckinghamshire - it is in Kent.

Also have concerns re baptism of Sarah GIBBARD in Oxfordshire. This is some distance from Bedfordshire and there were GIBBARD families in Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire which are closer. Do you have proof that Sarah's father was William?

Orpheus


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trish1120
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 August 09 21:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi Orpheus

,

Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate it. Hopefully Juben will be able to answer yor question. Not sure how I mucked up the Census entry. I will look at it again when I get home from work Embarrassed

Cheers,
Trish


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Juben
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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 30 August 09 22:17 UTC (UK) »

That is just brilliant!! I can't thank you and Orpheus enough for your help on this - this is definitely a breakthrough as so many things add up, including the fact that a Joseph Flemons married Elizabeth Bennett of Aspley Guise (FJB's aunt) so they obviously took Edward in as a servant to help out with the grim situation the family found itself in after the deaths of their parents. I had vaguely heard that FJB had been in a workhouse but it was not confirmed. I have only ever had loose bits of 1851 Census info before but it does match with what you have given. The 1841 Census joins the dots and I agree with your assessment re the Benjamins. B Adams was possibly a boarder and maybe FJB's eventual teacher?

I think too that FJB must have confused some of the facts owing to his traumatic childhood - he obviously thought his parents died earlier than they did because he can't remember them. I think the next thing for me will be to get hold of the death certificates for John and Sarah to confirm their parentage - 1848 seems to be the only year that there is a match. It is only FJB's letter that mentions Sarah's father as being William Gibbard - this could be wrong given the variations on some of his other 'facts'.

Thank goodness they did emigrate! FJB married well in NZ, became a draper and had 16 children! We think Thomas 'went bush' but now I have an approx death date for him (via the letter I mentioned) will check the NZ BDM records to see if he shows up (we only found the letter a week or so ago when going through old family papers so it's very exciting).

Thank you so much for your help - it is much appreciated.


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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #13 on: Monday 31 August 09 02:24 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: Juben on Sunday 30 August 09 22:17 UTC (UK)

I think the next thing for me will be to get hold of the death certificates for John and Sarah to confirm their parentage - 1848 seems to be the only year that there is a match.

English death certificates don't include details of parents

A good guide to what can be found on Englsih certificates can be found at http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm


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Re: Bennett from Aspley Guise for benben
« Reply #14 on: Monday 31 August 09 14:13 UTC (UK) »

FREDERICK BENNETT

1861 Census
47 Chapel Street,
Christchurch, Bedfordshire
RG9/1013/116A/27

William UNDERWOOD, 34, mar, Boot and Shoemaker, born Beds, Luton
Sarah, 34, wife, mar, born Beds, Bedford
Annie.S., daughter, 4mths, born Beds, Luton
Sarah BRIMLEY, 19, unm, journeyman, Shoe Binder, Beds,Chaphaan
Fanny Brimley, 17, servant, unm, house servant, Beds, Bedford
FREDERICK.J.BENNETT, 19,Apprentice, unm, Apprentice, born LUTON, Bedfordshire
Richard HUCK, 15, unm, on trial apprentice, Beds, Hockliffe

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