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Topic: Littleport parish registers - BRIGHTLEY (Read 350 times)
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jvb
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I'd be very interested to hear from anyone who has records of the Brightley family in Littleport, or who can check the parish registers for me.
I've traced my family tree back through the censuses to John Brightley b1815 in Littleport, and his father , also John, b 1791 in 'Eldon (, Norfolk'.
There isn't an Eldon in Norfolk, though, so I 'd be interested to see if the parish records can give us any more clues on John's birthplace.
Thanks
John Brightley
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John Brightley
Kenilworth, Warwickshire
All counties -Brightley, Brightwell
Cambridgeshire - Peggs
Staffordshire - Hollis, Myatt, Kidd
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Cambs FHS has a baptism index on its excellent website at http://www.cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
There's no John Brightly, but there are two other Brightlys in Littleport, both children of John and Elizabeth. But there are also four children of John & Elizabeth BRIGHTWELL in Littleport, including John 1814, who I suspect are probably the same family. Looking at the Brightly family in 1841 where there are Mary 14 and Sarah 12 which match with two of the Brightwell baptisms, I'm sure it's the same family
Baptisms are unlikely to shed any light on John senior's birthplace. Have you traced his marriage, possibly in Littleport, which would give his parish of residence?
Could Elvedon spoken with a yokel accent sound like Eldon to a census enumerator?
The only Brightly in Cambs in 1851, other than John b Norfolk or his family, was born in Mildenhall, roughly between Eldon and Littleport.
The only Brightly burial in Cambs 1801-37 (on the website above) is Elizabeth Brightle age 46 in 1832 at Littleport, presumably the wife of John sen.
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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AndrewMartin
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Hi, the Brightle/Brightley/Brightly/Brightwell family are part of my ancestry and I've found the following in Littleport St George. All seem to be part of my family - although I can't place the Elizabeth Brightwell and Robert Denniss marriage.
Banns:
Feb 9 1806 BRIGHTWELL John bac otp
BROWN Elizabeth sp otp
Dec 30 1827 GILBERT John bac otp
BRIGHTLE Elizabeth sp otp
Sep 10 1837 BRIGHTWELL John widr otp
HALL Mary wid otp
Oct 13 1839 BRIGHTWELL John bac otp
RICHARDSON Mary sp otp
Jun 8 1856 DENNISS Robert bac otp
BRIGHTWELL Elizabeth wid otp
Marriages:
John BRIGHTWELL (x) bac otp
married Elizabeth BROWN (x) sp otp
on Feb 10 1806.
Oct 15 1839 BRIGHTWELL John (x) of full age bac lab otp son of John lab
RICHARDSON Mary (x) of full age sp blank] otp dau of William lab
wits: William (x) RICHARDSON, Sarah (x) RICHARDSON
Jun 9 1856 DENNISS Robert (x) full age bac lab otp son of Robert lab
BRIGHTWELL Elizabeth (x) full age wid [blank] otp dau of John EVANS lab [in
margin - this woman is supposed to have had the Xtian name of Mary also]
wits: George (x) DENNISS, Mary (x) DENNISS
Baptisms:
May 27 1810 BRIGHTLY Elizabeth dau of John & Elizabeth
Aug 28 1814 BRIGHTWELL John son of John & Elizabeth otp lab
Aug 28 1814 BRIGHTWELL Robert son of John & Elizabeth otp lab
Aug 24 1817 BRIGHTLY William son of John & Elizabeth of Littleport Fen lab
Mar 29 1828 BRIGHTWELL Mary Ann dau of John & Elizabeth of Littleport Fen lab
Feb 1 1829 BRIGHTWELL Sarah dau of John & Elizabeth otp lab
Sep 13 1840 BRIGHTWELL William son of John & Mary otp lab
Nov 20 1842 BRIGHTWELL Ann dau of John & Mary otp lab
Apr 13 1845 BRIGHTLEY Susannah dau of John & Mary otp lab
Mar 21 1847 BRIGHTWELL Robert son of John & Mary otp lab aged 5 Years
Mar 21 1847 BRIGHTWELL Isaac son of John & Mary otp lab
Jan 25 1853 BRIGHTLY Susannah dau of John & Mary otp lab
Sep 24 1855 BRIGHTLEY [BT BRIGHTLY] Sarah Eliza dau of John & Mary otp lab
Burials:
May 10 1817 BRIGHTWELL Robert otp 3 yrs
Jun 13 1832 BRIGHTLE Elizabeth otp 46 yrs
Jan 12 1844 BRIGHTLEY Sarah otp 15 yrs
Jun 6 1847 BRIGHTWELL Isaac otp 3 mths
Nov 6 1848 BRIGHTWELL Susannah otp 3 yrs
Nov 21 1848 BRIGHTWELL Robert otp 8 yrs
Nov 12 1855 BRIGHTWELL John otp 67 yrs
May 2 1856 BRIGHTWELL Eliza otp 10 mths
Jun 2 1871 BRIGHTLEY John otp 57 yrs
Feb 24 1879 BRIGHTLEY Mary otp 71 yrs
The problem here, is when looking at the marriages, and then the baptisms, there is no indication as to which John and Mary the children belong... as all are born after both the father and son's marriages, and cease before the father's death. I haven't consulted the census, but I'm sure that this will reveal which child belongs to which couple (jnr or snr).
There doesn't seem to be an indication of the pre-Littleport origin in the parish records, but I will be pleased if it really is Elveden - as i lived their for the first 12yrs of my life.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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AndrewMartin
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Could Elvedon spoken with a yokel accent sound like Eldon to a census enumerator?
David
Genuki thinks it could do... http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SFK/Elveden/index.html and I guess with a real thick 'Suffik' or 'Narfock' accent, it might sound that way.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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AndrewMartin
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How about Brandon thats close to Thetford Littleport and Elvedon I have found a John Brightte?(as on the search) baptized on the 4th July 1792 to parents Joseph and Elizabeth - Brandon is right on the NorfolkSuffolk border.
that's certainly possible as it is close by.
The 1851 census for Littleport - which is John's last - is the one that gives the 'Eldon' lead. Mary (previously Hall) was born in Coveney in about 1808ish.
I'll see if i can find some time to visit the Suffolk Records Office at Bury St Edmunds on Saturday (or the next Saturday) and take a look at the Elveden parish records.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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AndrewMartin
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Mar 21 1847 BRIGHTWELL Robert son of John & Mary otp lab aged 5 Years
by the way, the 1841 census for Bells Drove, Littleport, gives this child the name of "Robert Hall Brightwell" - but whether he's the son of John and Mary (formerly Hall), or John (jnr) and Mary (nee Richardson), i've no idea. In 1841 he's noted as 1yr old, the same age as a William.
Annoyingly the two John and Mary families are living together in the same household.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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AndrewMartin
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Hello (and welcome back John!),
I may be able to make a flying visit to Bury St Eds on Saturday morning, where i'll have a look for the variants at Elveden. If not this weekend, then next! 
I'll let you know what i find or don't find!
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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AndrewMartin
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Rightio.. i popped into the Bury Records Office (nightmare with parking!) this morning to have a look through Elveden's registers.
Firstly, they're on microfiche and some of the copying is pretty poor. During the late 1600s and early 1700s the handwriting is superb - very easy to read and very well spelt. From the mid-late 1700s the writing is very poor - lots of wafty artistic letters by Rev. George Burton.. and some pages are almost completely illegible.
However, i did find some Brightwell (there were no variants) there:
Baptisms:
25th Oct 1761: Sarah Brightwell of Robert and Ann
20th Nov 1763: Robert Brightwell of Robert and Ann
6th Apr 1766: Mary Brightwell of Robert and Ann
9th Oct 1784: Mary Brightwell (private) of Robert and Mary (formerly Crane)
26th Jun 1785: Mary Brightwell (public) of Robert and Mary (formerly Crane)
5th Oct 1785: John Brightwell (private) of Robert and Mary (formerly Crane) - received into church in 1786 - Robert is noted as a 'farmer'.
Marriages:
18th Apr 1737: Robert Brightwell married Martha Bacon by Licence
1st Oct 1744: Susan Brightwell married Robert Smith - both of Elden
23rd Nov 1760: Robert Brightwell of Elden (widower) married Ann Church of Thetford by Banns
9th Apr 1769: Ann Brightwell (widow) married John Arnold by Banns
Burials:
24th Feb 1739: Martha Brightwell - wife of Robert Brightwell
22nd Jul 1757: Susan Brightwell of Elden
1st May 1767: Robert Brightwell
24th Jun 1793: Mary Brightwell - wife of Robert Brightwell aged ?0 years. - (the top part of the digit was missing but it might be 30, 50, 60 or 80!)
There's probably a few that I missed. The register book was hard to read and the archivist didn't really seen keen to let me have the transcript. Hopefully this will help in some way - I already think I can see a couple of generations there that precede the John Brightley earlier in this thread. Perhaps with a bit more time, I could dig deeper.
After 1814, the baptisms are recorded on the regular printed books. Prior to this they are just blank pages with lots of inky handwriting.
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Andrew Martin Cambridge, England. www.familytreeuk.co.ukwww.twitter.com/familytreeukResearching: BABBIDGE, BAILEY, BARBER, BARKER, BISHOP, BOULTER, BOWERS, BRIGHTWELL, BURNELL, CLARKE, COOPER, CROSS, DEWEY, DEWSBURY, FLOWER, FREEMAN, GAWTHROP, GIDDINGS, GIGNER, GILBERT, GILLIONS, GOLTRIP, GOTHARD, HARRISON, HAWKINS, IRONS, JEFFERY, LEVITT, MARTIN, MODEN, NEWMAN, NEWELL, ONG, TALL, TAYLOR, TINGEY, WHITEHEAD, YARROW. |
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