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Topic: Thirlwall mystery please can you help?? (Read 225 times)
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orchid
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Hi I've been tracing my family history now for some time, and i really need some help and advise.
I am trying to find Philip Alfred Thirlwall, i know he was born in Hyde Cheshire in abt 1829, and have managed to find him on the 1871, 1891 and 1881 census, where he is married to Elizabeth (Stovold), i am having no luck in finding him on the 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1881 census, nor the registration of his birth.
Please can anyone help or give me any advise as i would love to trace this line further.
Thank you
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welcome Orchid 
have you got his marriage Cert - revealing his Fathers name and occupation - and witnesses often help.
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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also - the Nephew Henry in 1891, have you tracked him back to parents .... same surname, so hopefully a brother of your man.
(1891 says 'Stepson', but its deffo 'Neph'
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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no birth regns for the kids shown with Phil* and Eli* in 1891 census 
I see that Mrs T (Elizabeth) was from Farnham, Surrey - which should be a good search criterion .... but seemingly not .... )
you still around ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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can you quote the 1871 census reference please ?
No worries - found 'em - in Northumberland, thought it might be linked ...
1871 - RG10/5082; Folio: 48; Page: 14 - Elswick, Newcastle
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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Good Lord, talk about transient !
The kids on there are born in Newcastle, Essex, Kent and Surrey ...
I see that the Henry I mentioned was a Stoveld originally ....
He's shown as a Pensioner, albeit Labouring somewhere ... given the kids PoBs I wonder if he's ex-Army or Navy ?
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK |
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Hi Newf,
Thanks for helpin, i believe his father was John Thirlwall but deceased on his marriage cert.
They did get around alot...... which isn't helping matters..
Thank you
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Hi Newf,
Do you know how i would find out if he had been in the army or navy???
Thanks
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I see the only Birth Regn entry for any of the kids is our 'enery ...
Births Jun 1870
Stovold Henry Newcastle T. v10b p54
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Best ask that as a new question on the 'Armed Forces' board - I know you can research such at the National Archives, dont think theres much onlin tho ..
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=14&j=1
you'll get more comprehensive advice from an expert on here tho ...
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Thank you, i'll try that.
It is really puzzling why he is missing and the family from so many census though.
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out of interest do you have the GRO Marriage Refn - I can see a Stovold Farnham dist, but its mixed up with Gravesend Dist names - and no Philip
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I think is 2a pg 103 (sorry if this isn't what you mean  )
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Yes, thats good - but which year (and District if you remember ? )
So far those combos are predominantly Farnham .... but I'm not seeing Elizabeth
Good memory - cos Philip is certainly there - 2Q 1863.
wonder why the kids seen in 1871 arent registered ?
I'd be curious and get Henry's Birth Cert 
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