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Pollard family from Dublin City
« on: Saturday 13 September 08 11:10 UTC (UK) »

Looking for any further information on a couple of my Grandfather's siblings:

Thomas Francis Pollard b. 1882,  108 Upr  Dorset St, Dublin, Ireland (Birth Cert)
Francis Pollard b. 1890, 12 Henrietta St, Dublin, Ireland (Birth Cert)
or Francis Pollard b. 1898?

My granddad, James Pollard, his siblings and  parents, Joseph and Margaret Pollard are on the 1911 Dublin census living at Lower Dominick St.
Joseph and Margaret had 13 children born living but only 9  alive in 1911.

Thomas is recorded as being  aged 28 single.   Occupation: Proof Reader.

Francis  is recorded as being aged 13? making his birth year c.1898 which does not tie up with his birth certificate. 

It's possible that Francis Pollard born 1890 was one of the deceased children.

I know of 8 children that did survive, marry and spread there wings to USA and England.  But what happened to Thomas and Francis Pollard?

Any help in solving this mystery would be greatly appreciated. Sad
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 September 08 00:21 UTC (UK) »

From the 1911 census, there were 13 children born to the marraige and 9 still living in 1911.

Could that account for the ones you are trying to find?

Peter
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 September 08 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter

Yes I have considered that fact.

But I do  know what happened to 7 of the children (including my grandfather) and Thomas and Francis are alive in 1911 so I'm assuming they are the other 2 of the 9 surviving children as stated on the 1911 census.

All of my second cousins I'm in contact with, have no knowledge of what happened to Thomas and Francis Pollard, so if anybody out there somewhere has any infomation on these 2 brothers it would help solve a mystery for us!

Regards.....Teresa
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 September 08 13:42 UTC (UK) »

Don't know if this helps but I noticed that Pollard is mistranscribed as Polland on the index sheet.

I searched for Polland and found an Annie Pollard, age 38 living in Oriel Street with parents, the Cahills.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock_Ward/Oriel_St__Lower/12556/

Although listed as married (not widow) there is no sign of her Pollard husband. Could he have been in the army or navy or otherwise away from home?

You might want to request a correction on the index.

Also, I notice that of the 9 children born alive there are only 6 listed in the household, have you found the 3 who are not listed in 1911?

Peter.
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 September 08 14:46 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter

Yes I have the other 3.

Mary Pollard is married to Peter Larrigan and her brother Joseph is living with them at 10 Whitworth Terrace, Drumcondra, Dublin on the 1911 Census.

Alice Pollard the other one who is missing,  is in the USA..she went in 1905.
My Mum used to write to her when I was a child back in the late 50's and I'm in contact with her grandchildren. 
After Alice died Mum used to write to one of her cousins...his children are the ones I'm in contact with now.  So good that our 2 branches of the family has been in contact for all this time!

I've also seen the other family you mentioned with the mistranscribed Pollards.
Mum's name was Kathleen Pollard too so there could well be a connection here.

I might just send off for the marriage certificate of Mrs Annie Pollard nee Cahill to see what that reveals and I will post a message on the Dublin.ie Forums website too.  You never know, I might get some info from there.

Regards...Teresa
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 September 08 16:20 UTC (UK) »

Sorry I wasn't able to help, I am quite new to this.

I guess its possible that Francis b.1890 died at less than 8 yrs old and his brother b.1898 was named after him. I have come across that quite a bit in earlier times when infant mortality was running at such a high rate.

Like you, I grew up in Dublin in the mid-late 1950's - its a very different place now!

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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #6 on: Monday 15 September 08 16:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter

My other set of Irish Gt Grandparents Michael & Bridget Brady living in Leeson St in 1911 had 18 children but only 8 alive back then.  Then 2 sons died in 1915/17! 
I can't imagine how they must have felt... to lose so many children.

I didn't grow up in Dublin and I've never visited Dublin either....... one day maybe, before I get much older! 

Mum, her parents and siblings came over to England in 1928 due to Grandpops being unemployed.  Some of her Brady aunts settled in England too..eventually.

I suppose Dublin is like a lot of Cities in England now..all having money spent in re inventing the places.  Some for the better..others are quite souless places. 
They certainly built some awful buildings back in the 60's in England which are now being replaced.  I wonder how long they will last?

Regards...Teresa
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #7 on: Monday 15 September 08 19:11 UTC (UK) »

Yes, they were tough times back then. With Slum Landlords, General Strike, Lockout, 1916, War of Independence and the Civil War 1910 to 1922 was not a good time to be in Dublin.

I presume you have read James Plunkett's 'Strumpet City'. If not, I would recommend it as a good place to start in getting a good understanding of the social and economic background to Dublin life at that time.

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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 September 08 21:29 UTC (UK) »

I remember Mum telling me that often they only had bread and jam to eat when she was a child and their living conditions were awful..no wonder they left.

I haven't heard of the book Strumpet City.  I shall have to remember that and see if I can get hold of a copy.

Teresa
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 21:44 UTC (UK) »

I am Damian Larrigan My grandfather William Larrigan was your Peter Larrigan brother who married Mary Pollard. Peter is the only man on our family tree way back then we could not trace. I had a marriage cert for him marrying  a Mary pollard no address after marriage but he lived in 6 Henretta street fathers home at time. Thanks for your family. tree I now know what happend to him. He died 3 years after his marriage to Mary pollard with no children. he was one of the oldest sons and cared for his father peter as well until his dad died then he must of got married then. he had 4 other brothers of which 3 had big families. A patrick Larrigan who had 22 children. My granddad William. A thomas. and on and on.  all these sons were born between 1882 to 1898. You mentioned Mountjoy  for Marys address which is strange. Peter Larrigans dad also Peter Larrigan married 2 times. The second lady was a Mary Jane hayden from the same address in mountjoy  from the marriage cert. also one of your peter Larrigans brothers Thomas Larrigan married a Catherine cockburn and one of there children was Leo Larrigan. When Leo Larrigan got married he married a Bernadette Pollard Lived in windyabour Dublin. Not saying this pollard is directly related to  you. IN short My Larrigan family has had two Pollards marriages one 1907sh and  1980sh and the address of Mountjoy is related to my grate grandmother who married my grate grandfather Peter Larrigan of 6 Henrietta st. 
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 22:03 UTC (UK) »

I just like to add Your Peter Larrigan calmed on his marriage cert to Mary Pollard that his dad was a Patrick Larigan hotel porter of 6 Henrietta st not peter. The dad of 6 Henrietta st was Peter Larrigan Hotel Porter. Its the same man for some reason a name change as the only other Patrick in existence was his brother who had 22 children.
Patrick Larrigan brother to your Peters Larrigan went to england with his children except 2 who stayed here in ireland 6 of the 22 children were born in england creating all the English Larrigans over there today. All the irish larrigans here in dublin came from your Peter Larrigans brothers. The dad of your Peter Larrigan who married Mary pollard is also Peter and your Peter Larrigans granddad is a Joseph Larrigan believed to come from Athy kildare. We cant prove the kildare Joseph as your Peters grandad but there is a link. I am on Facebook.com and here if I get time to check this site
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 01:53 UTC (UK) »

You said a Francis pollard lived in 12 Henrietta St 6 doors away from my grate granddad Peter Larrrigan in 1890 and one of my Grate grandads (peter) sons Peter  lived in 6 Henrietta st in 1890 as well. And this peter married Mary Pollard 1907sh and she related to that Francis Pollard beside them. Could it be that Mary lived or visited Francis Pollard regularly for her to get to know my related Peter Larrigan very well next door sh. My Grate granddad Peter married twice his first marriage was in 1882 then moved to Henrietta st. but his dad Joseph is a mastery as he died before peters first marriage. but there no records of Josephs death cert or any marriage cert between 1830 to 1882 anywhere. my Grate granddad(Peter)s son Peter  was born 1855.
Just hunting was there ever a Joseph Pollard born about 1820 to 1830 because the streets dorset st Montjoy st and  Domnick st are common places for the larrigans as-well and we have a Christopher Larrigan church st who had a son Patrick larrigan who visited Henrietta st family on occasion stayed there we cant prove by certs they related but they were to be visiting them.  OK Teresa best
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 12:49 UTC (UK) »

Damian....Sent you a personal message.  Regards..Teresa
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Re: Pollard family from Dublin City
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 21:52 UTC (UK) »

Damien

Please contact me by my email address..Something odd here about the Larrigans and Pollards.

Francis Pollard was BORN at 12 Henrietta St, Dublin in July 1890.

If you have the marriage certificate of Peter Larrigan & Mary Pollard could you send me a copy Please.  Her father should be Joseph Pollard.  She had a brother Joseph Pollard too!

Teresa
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