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xinia
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Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« on: Wednesday 17 September 08 09:22 UTC (UK) »
Hello,
due to online Census rtns ending in 1901 cannot find enough info on the following.  I have some memories so know what happened to the younger ones but just trying to see if I can find any living relatives descended from any of them?

They are as follows:
parents are Robert Argyle and Emma (nee Draycott)
so I am trying to find out about my Grandads siblings:

Emma           b1885
Lilian              1887
Florence         1888
Charles Annis     who I know died in the war, in France but would love details..
Julia               1895  I never met her husband but I think she had married but no children.
Ethel              she married  and became Ethel Vines, he died in the war I think
I know she often had a visitor from Wales called Bessie but not sure how they were related.
I also remember a Gladys i think lived in the Oval Road area Leicester.

There was also some cousins I remember a Minnie, who may have been Minnie Draycott, so if anyone knows any thing about any of these it would be lovely, or if they can lead me to the right place to search..  I am afraid, I cannot go trawling the archives now, so my searching has to be done from this PC... which makes it difficult...
thanks in anticipation   xinia
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 October 08 21:39 UTC (UK) »
its okay people i trekked and trekked and sorted this one so thanks anyway.
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 November 09 23:57 UTC (UK) »
Hi

It's some while since I used this forum so I haven't been keeping up with the posts but I just found yours and noticed that one of your ancestors married a Vines. That is the main family I am researching.

Most of my family came originally from Rutland and Northants and only settled in and around Leicester in the mid 1800s. However, there were other Vines families already in the City at that time. I have not been able to connect them with my branch. I suspect that your  Ethel married into one of those families but if you have not tracked down her husband and would like to share info. just let me know

regards
Tony
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Vines, (Leics./N'thants/Rutland)
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xinia
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 November 09 07:22 UTC (UK) »
Hello Tony,

Yyes would love to see what you have...All I have is that she married a 'Jack' Vines  and that he was killed in the war.

So anything you have may help
Xin
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 November 09 10:16 UTC (UK) »
Hi Xin

I have enormous amounts of information so we need to narrow things down a bit. Can you give me some likely dates please, even if you have to guess some of them? When (and where) would the wedding have happened? Which war?
etc.

Tony
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Vines, (Leics./N'thants/Rutland)
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West (Leics)
King (Nuneaton)
Harrold (Welford, N'thants)
Turner (Lancs.)
xinia
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 November 09 10:55 UTC (UK) »
ok Tony will sort that for you and post as soon as... xin
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 November 09 11:44 UTC (UK) »
Well

getting back into looking for things regarding this lovely lady... has been a little surprising..

I never knew a lot about her except that she was a lovely Aunt..and had been married and lost her husband very soon after marrying him ... Well I presumed this was all during the first world war.. as she was born in 1897 c

But no I have found her marriage to Frederick V Vines in 1942.  and a death for him in 1944... So what did she do during her early life... Not sure will have to check that out.
I had understood her husband to be Jack  but wondered why I found a photograph that was written my darling husband fred ... its only tiny and it is safely stored somewhere!!!! I may find a copy of it... will look.

So as far as any connections with the Vine family that is it really.. Frederick V Vines married Ethel Green in Leicester in 1942. 

Will see if I have any more later.

Xin
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 November 09 12:55 UTC (UK) »
Dug out the photograph of Frederic Vines

see attached

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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:19 UTC (UK) »
Hi Xin

Your man looks like a body builder or at least a physical education nut. He was certainly aware of his physique. Sort of James Dean style, only earlier!

I found his record of birth in one of my databases in the 1st qtr of 1913 in Leicester so he was a "toy boy" when he married your relative. His mother's maiden name was Hunt. I see that there were two later Vines births in Leicester to a mother with the same name in 1921 (Kenneth) and 1923 (Margaret). That may suggest that Fred was the first or at least an early child and that the parents may only have married just before therefore. I have the Vines marriages for both sexes for that period but by no means all the names of the non-Vines wives. I'll see whether I can find it on FreeBMD because I've just given up my subscription to Ancestry.co.uk.

It's a shame that he wasn't born two years earlier because he would have been recorded on the 1911 census. At this stage I cannot tell whether he is part of my family and the odds are against it but I'll keep looking.

Anyway, hopefully more later...
Tony
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Vines, (Leics./N'thants/Rutland)
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King (Nuneaton)
Harrold (Welford, N'thants)
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 05 November 09 23:41 UTC (UK) »
Ah! I didn't need to use FreeBMD because I had his family on another database. His father was Herbert, a boot and shoe plougher (whatever that is) and his mother was shown on a census as Louie Hunt but I think that was a mis-transcription for Louise. Herbert's father John was a gas labourer and his grandfather Samuel was an agricultural labourer turned gas labourer.  They lived in Navigation St in St. Margaret's.

On the same database I have put together by circumstantial evidence e.g. birth dates, names and places matching, several other families that I think are connected. I did that a couple of years ago as it is a process I use to try to find links.

I'm not sure how far you want to take this line back because it is clearly not your main line of research and it's a lot of information to pass on. I have it on an Excel spreadsheet which is quite large and has lots of other names on it. Clearly this method of posting is not ideal for this purpose. Please therefore let me know how far you want to go and any thoughts you may have on how to pass it over.

By the way it seems to be the family that I referred to earlier that was in Leicester before my lot arrived so I do not think that there are any links - at least for a few generations. But you never know and the surname is not a common one.

Tony
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Vines, (Leics./N'thants/Rutland)
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King (Nuneaton)
Harrold (Welford, N'thants)
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 November 09 00:04 UTC (UK) »
PS

I'm also fairly sure that I made contact 2-3 years ago with living members of this family. One vey pleasant lady was in New Zealand and another was a cousin of hers in Leicester. I'm not sure that I could find them again as I've changed PCs and email programs since then.

Tony
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Vines, (Leics./N'thants/Rutland)
Cross (Warwicks)
West (Leics)
King (Nuneaton)
Harrold (Welford, N'thants)
Turner (Lancs.)
xinia
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Re: Green / Draycott/ Vines family Belgrave area Leicester
« Reply #11 on: Friday 06 November 09 07:24 UTC (UK) »
How Intriguing that my gt Aunt married someone that much younger -  and how wonderful that you have all this information regarding him - I would love all you have - I am greedy for information.  So if you pm me I will send my email address.  It would be great to find a living relation in Leicester..
Yes he does look like a body builder doesnt he.   I know she loved him all her life --- but that is maybe because they had such a short time together he died around 1945 (I think).
I have only one Uncle left from that side that may know more  about the marriage he has never really been into family research so its doubtful... But I can try him.  There are a couple of Ethels Nieces around but I cant find them at the moment... will check them out.

here is a pic of her  though she wasnt a beauty  she had a wonderful caring nature... bless her.  She never married again and therefore never had children... But in her later life she did have a 'man friend' that I know little about.

Thanks again Tony  Xin

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