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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 21:43 UTC (UK) »

What were the names of Thomas' wife and children ?


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Gigi
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 16 August 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »

Hi All,

I don't think that your John Ellwood is the son of Michael Ellwood & Mary Atkinson. Their son John died 1808. Michael is the brother of William Ellwood my gggg grandfather. I have Michael's will and he doesn't mention a son John.

According to the 1851 census both John Ellwood and Margaret Nutt were born Crosby Ravensworth. There is a John son of William & Frances bap 16/9/1787 CR.

Why did you go for the Kendal baptism?

Regards,

Gillian


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Elwood/Ellwood: WES & CUM
Johnson: Crosby Ravensworth, Hilton & Dufton WES
Robinson: CUM
Langhorn: Kirkby Thore WES
Dover: WES & CUM
Parker: Soulby, Bedale
Hunt: Gentleshaw, Bladon, Hanborough
Slynn: Birmingham
Rammell: KENT
Felton: Shropshire

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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #17 on: Monday 17 August 09 21:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillian
Thanks for this - this seems to rule out Michael & Mary as my John's parents.

I don't have any great confidence that the Kendal John is the right one! But FamilySearch.org confirms Margaret (Nutt) was born in Kendal in Feb 1800, despite what the 1851 census shows so unless this is the wrong Margaret Nutt there could be a Kendal connection. Also I have a death certificate for John Ellwood who died in C Ravensworth (Eamont Bridge Workhouse) in 1863 at the stated age of 73 - this would put his birth in 1790 which is the year the Kendal John was born. Not conclusive I know, but possible at least! I had ruled out John son of William & Frances (Fanny) even though he was born in C R because that John married a Mary Eggleston in 1816. But on reflection Margaret could have been his second wife assuming Mary died before that marriage in 1829. I will have to explore this possibility....................!

Regards

Pat


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Ellwood: Westmoreland & Weardale
Angus: Weardale
Watson: Bedale, North Yorkshire
Billing(s): Northamptonshire & Warwickshire

Gigi
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 18 August 09 15:55 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat,

Thanks for your reply.

Do you have the 1861 census entry for John? What was his place of birth?

If John died 1863 CR, what is the connection to Eamonts Bridge, a different village. There were other Ellwoods at Eamont Bridge I believe. I'll dig out my notes. Who registered his death?

Regards,

Gillian


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PatriciaH
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 18 August 09 19:20 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillian

John's place of birth is given again as Crosby Ravensworth in the 1861 census. He was living in Maulds Meaburn when the 1841 census was done. The death certificate I have shows that that John died in the Eamont Bridge Workhouse on 1 Dec 1863. William Burton registered the death: I confirmed from the internet that he was the 'Master' of the workhouse in 1863. I also established from the internet that this workhouse took in people from CR. I know I could be on completely the wrong track but I haven't been able to find the death of any other John Ellwood that fits even as well as this shaky possibility!

It would be great if you could shed any light on any of this without going to too much trouble. I'm trying to check out William & Frances (Fanny) as parents of my John, but that's only possible if that John's wife Mary Eggleston died before 1829 when he married Margaret Nutt. This is what I'm working on now.

Regards (and thanks for your interest)

Pat


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Ellwood: Westmoreland & Weardale
Angus: Weardale
Watson: Bedale, North Yorkshire
Billing(s): Northamptonshire & Warwickshire

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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 18 August 09 19:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat,

Thanks for the info from John's death cert & 1861 census.

I have looked through my Ellwood notes & I also have John Ellwood bap 1787 CR son of William & Frances married to Mary Eggleston 3/6/1816 CR. I don't have any census data. Do you have them in any census?

According to the CR PRs they appear to be living in Reagill and have a son William bap 22/4/1817 CR.

Also from my notes I have Ann bap 9/2/23 CR & Ruth bap 10/8/1827 CR daus of John & Mary of Maulds Meaburn.

And also Margaret dau John & Mary Labourer of Lofterns bap 13/3/1825 CR.

These possibly match up with the burials:

Mary Ellwood of MM bur 16/6/1828 CR age 31
Ann Ellwood of MM bur 2/7/1828 CR age 7
Mary Ellwood of MM bur 5/7/1828 CR age 5.

Could these all be the same family?

Lofterus Farm was were William & Frances were living 1790. Their dau Mary was bap 23/12/1790 & the CR PRs state that William & Frances were of Lofterus. Is this the same as Lofterns?

Any thoughts?

Regards,

Gillian


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PatriciaH
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 19 August 09 20:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillian

No, I haven't been able to find any trace of John and Mary in any census, but that would make sense if John's first wife was the Mary Ellwood you have dying aged 31 in June 1828 - he could then have remarried (Margaret Nutt) in October 1829 and this would make him my gg grandfather not the Kendal John (which probably makes more sense anyway).

As there are exact dates for both events for Ann Ellwood, the Ann buried on 5/7/1828 may not be the same Ann baptised on 9/2/1823 as her age at death is given as 7 not 5/6, though I know things weren't that precise then so it's possible at least. Mary buried on 5/7/1828 at age 5 could have been another child of John & Mary, born between Ann & Margaret i.e. all 3 in quick succession! I wonder whether there were any more children between William and Ann - a 6-year gap in those days was probably quite rare.

I've seen reference to Lofterus but not Lofterns - I imagine Lofterns may just be a transcribing/typing error?

The full line-up I have for William & Frances's children from CR BMD 1570-1812 is:

Joseph Ellwood Baptised 22/5/1776 Buried 9/1/1780
Sarah Ellwood Baptised 16/6/1778 Buried 21/1/1780
Thomas Ellwood Baptised 15/10/1780
William Ellwood Baptised 12/1/1783
George Ellwood Baptised 17/3/1785
John Ellwood Baptised 16/9/1787
Mary Ellwood Baptised 23/12/1790

William & Frances are shown as "of Lankaber" when children Joseph through to George were born, and "of Lofterus" for John & Mary.

Anything new here for you?

Regards

Pat


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Ellwood: Westmoreland & Weardale
Angus: Weardale
Watson: Bedale, North Yorkshire
Billing(s): Northamptonshire & Warwickshire

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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #22 on: Friday 21 August 09 20:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat,

I have the same family data for William & Frances. Frances died 1831 CR aged 84. Cannot find William's death or where he came from! I would love to find out he came from Dufton!

I have found the family in the 1787 census. William is a husbandman, there are 4 male children and they live in MM. There is another Ellwood family living next door, possible relations??

I have some census details for Thomas, son William & Frances:

1841
Dryevers MM
Thomas 55 Farmer
Mary 35
William 55 (brother??)
Frances 8
Sarah 6
Margaret 4
Mary 2

1851
Roans MM
Thomas Farmer 70 acres 70 b MM
Mary 45 b Cumberland NK
Margaret 16 b MM
Sarah 14 bMM
Mary 12 b MM
Isabella 8 scholar b MM
Thmas Ellwood serv 21 unmarr Farm servant b Green (Scout Green??)

1861
Lanakaber MM
Thomas 80 Farmer 110 acres b CR
Mary 55 Farmer's wife b Cumwhittom CUM
Sarah 24 Dressmaker b MM
Mary 22 Farmer's dau b MM

It does look like John Ellwood could have married twice, however, I see no mention to him being a widow. It seems more likely to be the same John of MM and not Kendal.

The witnesses at his "first" wedding were:

William Ellwood, Mary Ellwood & Eliz Thompson.

John Ellwood & Mary Eggleston signed their names, Margaret Nutt signed with an X.

Am still going through my notes!!

Regards,

Gillian


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PatriciaH
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 22 August 09 14:22 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillian

Thanks for the latest instalment! Were you aware that there was a William born in Dufton at the right time? The FamilySearch.org site shows that the William who married Frances was born "Abt 1755/1760". Doing a search for births reveals that apart from one born in Kendal in 1752, there was only one other William Ellwood born in Westmorland at that time. He's shown as christened in Dufton on 18 Jun 1754. His parents are given as William & Mary Ellwood, married in Dufton on 27 March 1749. That William is shown born in Dufton "Abt 1723", died Brampton and buried Long Marton 27 Feb1797. Mary (no surname given) is shown as born "Abt 1727", also in Dufton. It looks like these details were submitted to the site by someone living in Utah. It's a possibility at least - or have you already discounted this?

Worth mentioning Sarah Ellwood "of Langkaber" too - she was buried 29 Feb 1792 aged 75 (therefore born c. 1717). Who knows? - there's a chance this could be William's mother.

By the Ellwood family living next door to Wm/Frances in 1787 do you mean George & Sarah Elwood? I have a George Ellwood "of Kirkby Thore" marrying Sarah Martindale in CR on 18 Nov 1767 so maybe this could be them? (The extra 'L' in the name came and went a bit around this time didn't it?!). I daresay George was related to Wm somehow - all the Ellwoods in Westmorland are probably related if you go far enough back!

Yes, I think John from MM is probably the right one too - witnesses William & Mary would be his brother and sister.

Regards

Pat


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Ellwood: Westmoreland & Weardale
Angus: Weardale
Watson: Bedale, North Yorkshire
Billing(s): Northamptonshire & Warwickshire

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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #24 on: Monday 24 August 09 15:27 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Gillian

Scrub the info in my previous posting re William & Mary (Mary Hall, in fact)) - their son William married Barbara Jackson on 29 Nov 1783 so they aren't our William's parents.

Pat


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Watson: Bedale, North Yorkshire
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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #25 on: Monday 24 August 09 18:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat;

You beat me to it!! I have William married to Barbara Jackson also.

The Ellwood family next to William and Frances in MM 1787 is:

George Head husbandman
Sarah,

This could be the Sarah who died 1792 aged 75?

Regards,

Gillian


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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #26 on: Monday 24 August 09 21:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi Gillian

Yes, could be. If that's the former Sarah Martindale she would have been 50 when she married George in 1767.

Regards

Pat


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Re: Ellwood fo Crosby Ravensworth
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 29 August 09 21:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I have some 1811 Ellwood data of MM:

Maulds Meaburn in the parish of CR has three Ellwood entries for 1811:

John Ellwood 1male 1 female husbandry
Wm Ellwood 4 males 2 females husbandry
Wm Ellwood 3males 2 females husbandry

The first two entries are adjacent & the third entry is four entries later.

John could be of Trainlands and his wife Mary Ruddock marr 1806 CR.

The two Williams could be:

William husband of Frances

plus another William Ellwood family.

Has anyone worked out who the three Ellwood families are?

Regards,

Gillian


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