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loandy
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george carter
« on: Monday 22 September 08 05:36 UTC (UK) »

Trying to find anything about George and Jane Carter who left Kelso for Australia in 1853. Jane was Jane Gilhome from Kirknewton Northumberland , George was Son of John Carter & born Hutton Berwickshire 1811.I would be interested in hearing from anyone researching the same family and if he had any siblings etc. I would also like to know what political or social upheavals may have occurred at that time so that a 42 year old man would go halfway around the world with 5 children to start again. I have found reference to the family in the 1851 census. How many churches would there have been in Eckford in 1837, and are the marriage records from these available?
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Re: george carter
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 September 08 06:35 UTC (UK) »

Hello

http://eckford.org.uk/

Is the Eckford website.  Only one church as far as I know.  If you do a Google there are photos on the net.  Apparently Eckford Kirk Session records are kept in the National Archives of Scotland.  I see from the IGI that there appears to be a lot of erroneous 'submitted' records for this couple and even a marriage in oxford england for them.

I had just posted the 5 childrens names in birth order, but the message seems to have disappeared. - Sometimes helps with naming patterns when trying to identify, previous generations.  Got to go and work.

Regards,   Steve  :O)
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McDonald originating in Aberlour.  Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour).   Crosbie and Willison.  Borders:  Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Re: george carter
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 September 08 06:38 UTC (UK) »

Hello,

As I'm sure you're aware there are submitted records on the IGI which has this couple marrying in Oxford England and the children being born in England.

However these seem more realistic and are 'extracted' records.

1.   JOHN CARTER Ch 06 NOV 1838 Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland
2.  ROBERT CARTER  Ch: 17 OCT 1840 Yetholm, Roxburgh, Scotland
3.  MARGARET TAYLOR CARTER Birth: 26 JUL 1844 Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland
4.  ANDREW CARTER   Birth: 04 JAN 1849 Kelso, Roxburgh, Scotland
5. JOHN MCGREGOR CARTER Ch: 08 APR 1851 Roxburgh, Roxburgh, Scotland  

Good luck with your searching.  Work calls.
Regards,   Steve .


Update;  Just back off www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk - the offical govt website - can't find a marriage for this couple - at first pass.  Really got to go  :O(
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McDonald originating in Aberlour.  Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour).   Crosbie and Willison.  Borders:  Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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Re: george carter
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 September 08 07:03 UTC (UK) »

As far as I can see the IGI site is very unreliable, I have always had a problem with them being married in Oxford England. I could not see how a farm servant would travel to the other end of the country to marry a local or near local girl particularly in times when people did not generally travel far from their home, I dont know who submits this information,but I am pretty confident Eckford ROX is the place, after all they spent all their time in the area, The children you found are the right ones,There are naming pattens right through the family, my middle name is Andrew. Thanks again Steve
Wal
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Re: george carter
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 September 08 09:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi Wal and Steve

www.monaropioneers.com/carter-g.htm This site shows the marriage as being 10 May 1838 in Eckford. Quite a specific date - wonder where it has come from? There is nothing showing on the SP OPRs so maybe this info was arrived at from some local sources such as Kirk Session minutes or maybe from non Church of Scotland records which normally don't show on SP or IGI for this period.

The closest I can see for George and Jane in 1841 is this entry in Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland (can't easily see anything for them in Scotland) - although with an occupation of Chemist probably not likely:

George Carter 30, chemist, b. Scotland
Jane Carter 25 b. Scotland
Robert Carter 1 b. Scotland

Monica  Smiley

Added: Wal, I've just seen you are a submitter of data to the link I posted. You have probably already tried to check out this May 1838 marriage I would imagine....

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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

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Re: george carter
« Reply #5 on: Monday 22 September 08 22:02 UTC (UK) »

Hi Monica, yes I submitted the information on the Monaro site,I obtained it from Death Certificates here in Aus. I am interested in the Newcastle on tyne information as I know they were in Newcastle around that period as I have information that they lost 2 infant children at Newcastle on Tyne . one in 1841 and another in 1843 and their ages ( the parents) correspond, although the ocupation ,Chemist is a bit off the mark, do you have anything alse on that listing, I have fully researched the family here in Australia but like most family trackers we are planning on returning to Scotland within the next year and just want to explore the places where our ancestors lived and worked .
Thanks again
Wal
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Re: george carter
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 September 08 08:09 UTC (UK) »

Hi Wal

The 1841 census entry is coming up in the Parish of All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne, address looks like Little Blagdon xxxx. As you know, 1841 census info is quite limited, so hard to know whether any one else on the page of the census connects to either George or Jane.

Have you looked on FreeBmd www.freebmd.org.uk. You may be able to recognise some of the births or deaths of the children for the years that you have, 1841/3.

Monica  Smiley
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Re: george carter
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 September 08 22:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Monica, I am starting to think that the newcastle on Tyne entry is the correct, (but not chemist) all the ages match even the son would have been one year old. So I will keep on with the job.
Wal
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