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zacharyturner
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hey rob,
in the book Turners of Lane End,it mentions a Mr David Lea Turner, he's my great,great,great Grandad. i was wondereing if there if this is the same Turner family as yours?
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Old-Bonez
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Hello cousin Zachary
Well we are very distant cousins at least. From these postings you would know I am a descendant of the well known potter John Turner which I guess you are too. I have managed to go back up my line but to come down each branch is difficult.
Pam has done well with her research into Mary Ann Turner and others of "son Williams" line. I am a descentant of "son John" ... without studying things I'm guessing that you are a decedent of "son Johns son", lawyer Henry Turner of Brewood & Wolverhampton. My line comes from "son Thomas" who together with his other brother (John Entwhistle) came to Australia
As for David Lea Turner I haven't found him yet to place into my tree. Perhaps we can work together on it.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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zacharyturner
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Hey,
Well i have a turner family bible which has birth and death entries,which dates back to about 1845, and i can try and put a list together this week of all the names and dates.
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Old-Bonez
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All we will need to do then is link your data to the potter John Turner and everything should fit.
I will send you a PM with access info to my tree... You may already know how the link is made when you see this.
Cousin Rob...lol
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Thank you Paul so very much for your PM relating to Mary Wakefield's book "Ancient Brewood"
It is interesting that she says "John Turner's father was Lawyer Turner of Brewood Hall".
One would think that since there are so many surviving leagal documents of his great grandson (lawyer Henry) there would be some sort of mention somewhere of an earlier Brewood Lawyer.
It has also got me thinking of the possibility that the Hall was leased to William Emery after John's fathers death. Did the Turner children continue to live there with the Emerys or since they were now almost adult did they simply live elsewhere as there was no longer a bread winner in the family. Possibly this is why John Turner took up a potting apprentership with Daniel Bird which is a trade I think is most unlike the son of a lawyer would want.
Enough of this thinking out loud but it does show just what a little information does to my thinking pattern.
Thank you so very much Paul for clarifying that snippet of information.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Thanks Zac for your PM and your tree as you know it which goes back to a George Turner.
I have a George in the tree that I have absolutely nothing on. He was the 2nd youngest son of John Turner & Mary Hyde and a full brother to John Entwhistle & Thomas Turner who came to Australia.
All we have to do now is prove that your George is my George which will again take a little research. Yes they are about the same timeframe.
Let me research Family Search a little to see just what comes up on George Turner b. 1814 & Christened 12th Feb 1815 St. John's Lane End.
What is the chance Joy/Crystal that you could look in the Brewood register for a Marriage which I can really find nothing of in Family Search.
George would have been brought up living in Brewood Hall & with luck he may have married there. If we find he married a "Mary" then we have a fair link.
What is the chance that you can post a census look up Zac as people must be getting sick of my requests for help. He is your ancestor too!
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Oh... I also know that George was an Army surgeon and saw active service in India in 1840s.
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Joy or Crystal. When you are next in a records office could you please take a look at this entry in the Brewood Registry.
"02 Feb 1713 Johannes Turner & Sara Nichols mar."
I came across it out of pure frustration whilst searching any John & Sarah marriages in Staffordshire. Since potter John was born in 1738 and I was presuming his parents married in 1730 then 1713 is a little early by my reckoning but it is in Brewood where they were supposed to have lived.
I have found no children in Brewood that are of that marriage
Like always there is no rush
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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crystal lady
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Hi Rob, Joy and everyone else here
Rob - so sorry but it took longer to recover from my stomach thingy than I anticipated and this last week I've been laid up with the flu thats going round and which OH kindly donated to me but am feeling better today so thought I'd better update you with what I've found.
I managed a bit of time at the Records Office before the flu got me but didn't check the thread before I went so will ask about the marriage licences when I go next time which hopefully should be this Saturday - I'm hoping I'll back on my feet by then as I also need to check something out on one of my lines which has just come to light.
For your records, I have checked the records for Castle Church, Stafford between 1735- 1755 inclusive - this includes baptisms, burials and marriages as they are all on one fiche. I did find lots of baptisms for Emery's but none for any Turners! Let me know if you want the details of the Emery baptisms as I made a note of them just in case - they are for the children of Thomas & Margaret Emery and one for Thomas and Sarah Emery, also have the marriage for Thomas and Margaret. Didn't want to post them and confuse things as they may not be relevant.
I did however find the following marriages but don't know if they are relevant-
Feb 13, 1733 Richard Blakemore & Mary Turner,married
Mar 18 1733 Walter Turner & Mary Phipps, married
Apr 6 1733 Thomas Turner & Sarah Spender, married (this one was in Latin and luckily the Archivist knew Latin)
Sept 16 1735 John Turner & Mary Ward, married
Unfortunately that is all the information given in registers of that era which is not alot of use to us when trying to untangle the family webs.
Let me know what you think of the above and if you need anything else checking on Saturday.
Crystal
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Dozey_Joy
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Hi Rob, Crystal and everyone else.
Crystal - I hope you're feeling better. I bet your OH is not very popular at the moment!
Rob - I'm hoping to go to the records office next Tuesday. I'll check back here before I go and see if Crystal was able to find anything and then decide what to do next. Are we trying to find a link between you and Zac?
Joy
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crystal lady
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Hi Rob, Joy and everyone else.
Well, what a day I had in the Records Office yesterday   I think it must have been one of my most productive days - if I was feeling really wicked I could leave it there and come back later with the information  but as I'm not, I'll tell you now -
I asked about the Licence applications for the marriages Joy had found and was able to view all 3 of them! I must say as I have not had anything to do with this type of record before I was unsure what to expect but must say I was very impressed, especially as you are actually looking at the original documents completed by your ancestors and with their signatures as well - Rob, even though this is not my 'own' family, I felt very emotional looking at them yesterday. What you actually get is the Licence and then a separate page/letter completed by the 'clerk surrogate' which states the oath sworn by the bridegroom. I have not transcribed the Licences as they were abit too hard going and time was short but I have transcribed the main details from the sworn statements - as there is quite a lot of info and I was insure how many times I would have to post to send it all, I decided to send the transcripts to you by email Rob and then you can forward them on to anyone else. Joy, if you PM me your email I will send you a copy as I think you will find it interesting especially after the work already done. I got really excited at some of the info on them and am hoping this is what you needed Rob and will find it as exciting as I did. I was unable to obtain photocopies yesterday as resources are limited on a Saturday morning but will go in again for copies if you would like Rob, I must admit, if it was me, copies would be a must- let me know.
I also found the following marriages for you at Brewood, I checked the years between 1826 -1848 :-
'Richard (Farnell/Tarnell) of this parish widower and Hannah Turner of this parish spinster were married by Banns this twenty seventh day of December in the year one thoufand and eight hundred and twenty six by C Jayson, curate. Both made their Mark but could not make out the witness names.'
'Edward Onion of this parish bachelor and Jane Turner of this parish spinster were married in this Church by Banns this twenty sixth day of April in the year one thoufand eight hundred and twenty nine by me M Kemsey, officiating minister. Edward signed and Jane by her Mark,witnesses were Thomas Upton & Zacharias Bayden'
'William Turner of this parish, bachelor and Maria Jones, of this parish, spinster were married in this church by Banns this twenty second day of January in the year one thoufand eight hundred and thirty five. Both made their Mark and witness was George Croft.'
'Richard Radford of this parish and Sarah Turner of this parish were married by Banns this fourth day of April in the year one thoufand an eight hundred thirty six by me, James Carter, curate. Richard signed and Sarah by her Mark, witnesses were Henry Radford & (?) Layton'
'May 31 1841
George Turner, of full age, bachelor, Labourer and resident at Aspley, Father - Thomas Turner, Labourer and
Mary Talbot, of full age, spinster, resident at Aspley, Father - Thomas Talbot, Labourer.
Married after Banns, both made their Mark and witnesses were Elizabeth Richards & George Richards.'
'7 May 1845
William Henry Smith, of full age, bachelor, Esquire and resident at Barlaston. Father - John Smith, Esquire and
Ann Turner, of full age, spinster and resident at Brewood. Father - John Turner, Esquire.
Married by Licence, both signed and witnesses were Harry Turner, (Harriet) Turner,(Frederick)Smith and (?) Turner.'
The last marriage looked very interesting, what do you think, also is the 1841 marriage for George the one you wanted? I have posted details of the others just in case any thing rings a bell or ties in any where although I don't think some of the marriages are 'yours'.
That was all I had time for although I did check the fiche for Johannes Turner and Sara Nichols, 2 Feb 1713 but the fiche was very unreadable - Joy, I noted that a transcript is available for this on the open shelves at Stafford so could you possibly have a look at that? Lichfield don't have a transcript for it.
Well, thats all for now - let me know what you think Rob and hope the information is what you needed.
Crystal
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Old-Bonez
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Hey ... great work Crystal and thanks for the effort.
I'm off the net for at least another week yet so I'll study it all as soon as I get the chance.
I'll reply then
Regards, Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Hi everybody
My proper connection is still not up and working yet but I'm at a friends place which has allowed me some time to really look at this information.
At first glance the Castle Church information doesn't look as if it is where my Turners originated from. It is such a pity as it is the first new lead I've had. Thanks for the effort Crystal.... I'll save this data just in case something else leads me there.
When Crystal gets moving she really gets going... The 1841 marriage of George Turner & Mary Talbot in Brewood looked very promising. If it is our George then he would have been 27 which fits in so very well.
Now for what I think doesn't fit in. As I've said before, the Turners were all educated and hence would have been able to read and write. Our George would have been at this time quite wealthy as his mother had just passed away a year earlier. Even though there were 7 surviving children the inheritance would have been substantial. This George was a laborer as was his father "Thomas". The father of our George was John so I must say that we have another miss in this search.
Again, they must be part of the other Turner family in Brewood
Finally in 1845 you have found Ann Turner. Daughter of John Turner esquire. My tree has a Ann Turner but this would have made her 42 at the time of marriage. My tree also says she died 1835. I will have to look further into this as I feel it is of the next generation.
More data to store for possible later use
Thanks again Crystal for your effort here.
Regards, Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Dozey_Joy
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Hi everyone
I went to Stafford last Tuesday but didn't have much success. I certainly didn't do as well as Crystal did. It sounds as though she had quite a day.
I tried to find the marriage between Johannes Turner and Sara Nichols in 1713. As Crystal said the fiche is unreadable but I did look at the transcript. Unfortunately the marriage wasn't in the transcript. I resorted to sitting with the transcript, looking at the fiche and trying to make sense of it all. However I failed and couldn't see the marriage at all. Rob are you sure the marriage was at Brewood? Where did you get the information from?
I also checked Brewood for baptisms which would tie in with Johannes and Sara's marriage but there were none. However I did find what could be William Emery's baptism.
"Baptized was William the son of Samuel Emery Feb 12 Anno Dom 1707/8".
Joy
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Old-Bonez
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Hi Joy
Sorry for the run around that I have put you through relating to "Johannes & Sarah" ... I have only just realised I must have the wrong parish.
I have been researching the Turners and Brewood for so long now that I can no longer remember just where I obtain things from. Over some time I have collected the odd parish record translations wherever I find them and browsing through them recently I had found "Johannes & Mary" within a PDF simply named St Chad's Stafford. I had this written down on a pad of things I have to look into and in error I had asked in my posting for it to be looked up before checking that I had the correct St Chads. I now realise that this St Chads is in Stafford and not Staffordshire area.
Sorry... my error.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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