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Old-Bonez
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TURNER small jug. Popular for collectors c.1780
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I'm new to the site so I hope I'm posting here correctly.
I've been researching my tree for a couple of years now and have come up against a few brick walls. I have several branches now in trouble however if I start with an interesting one it may be easier. All my information has just been obtained from general internet searches without much further "professional" input.
Lets start with TURNER John (yes the potter) 1738 - 1787. Died Brewood Hall Brewood, Staffordshire. Information on the net as well as the Book "Turners of Lane End" indicate that he was born there as well however I don't believe it. I don't believe that the Turners ever owned it but it appears that several generations were raised there. From my research I have found mention of it being leased in the early 1700's to EMERY William (Timber Merchant) whose daughter, Ann married John Turner 15th October 1759. Ann died 1777. I believe both are buried in the local church at Brewood.
The Book states that John was "the son of a Staffordshire lawyer". His parents are still unknown. There are a few pottery sites on the web with information on him and his two sons whom were born in Brewood Hall. Children that I have found are Elizabeth, Sarah, Unknown, William 1762 & John 1766.
I have had correspondence with the Fowke family regarding Brewood Hall and they apparently have no record of either EMERY or TURNER residing there. It is a Fowke crest displayed on the front of the building therefore to my mind they constructed this newer building to replace the old one around 1700.
Any assistance or leads would be gratefully received.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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teadealer
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Hi Rob
I have a Turner in my tree,and his father George was born in Burslem about 1820 and was also a china manufacturer,his factory was in Hanley.
His son John became a lawyer.
Cheers
Peter
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Old-Bonez
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Hello Peter
We have to look at the time line here. The parents of my John Turner would have been born in the very early 1700's. Remember the 2nd generation was bankrupt in 1806. Burslem is interesting though as their pottery was at Stoke on Trent and John Turner II (son) owned the property "Lightwood". The other son "William" I have nothing on so you could be related through there. I have the name of his property somewhere. Please email me direct.
Thanks for your reply
For those who may be looking be warned there is another potter "Thomas Turner of Caughley" who was the forerunner of the blue willow pattern around the same time. I have never established a link between the two families. I don't believe there is.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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Thank you Paul for your input.
It just goes to show that we have to keep looking. I hadn't searched for Brewood Hall for over 12mths. Jan's information and photos were very welcome as I couldn't get a good look at the place.
Encouraged by this I again searched Turner & Emery and came up with the website of the Brewood Church and it's grave information. A wealth of information is now at hand.
I now have both parents of John Turners wife Ann
(D184&5) EMERY Elizabeth 1708 - 1742 wife of EMERY William 1687 - 1767 .. No other information except he was a Brewood Timbermerchant. He must have been successful to have leased Brewood Hall say around the early 1700's.
The Turners have a Box Tomb (Section D 129) containing
TURNER Walter 1732-1766 .. I can only presume this is a brother to my John Turner.
All the others I expected to be there except mention of a Samuel E. MERY wife of Sarah (nee Turner) 1740 - 1804.
I puzzled over this for some time as my records show her as married to a John Glover. It was then I noticed that the Elizabeth Emery headstone (see above) has a difficult to read mention of "Samuel Emery" ... Possibly the person who wrote the information from the headstone could have put a dot in the "EMERY" name making it "E. MERY". I'd be grateful if somebody could take a look for me???
My quest is now to find two things:
1) The parents of John & Walter Turner. Sons of a Staffordshire Lawyer. Any suggestions of where to start?
2) The identity of the person mentioned on the headstone (Area F 63) "To the memory of ANN TURNER of Brewood Cottage who died May 8th 1835" .... I can only imagine that "Brewood Cottage" is an outbuilding of Brewood Hall. Can anybody confirm this?
Any assistance would be greatfully received.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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paminder
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I am researching a lady called Mary Ann Turner who was, I believe, the (eldest?) daughter of William Turner (son of John) potter of Lane End. I am not a relative, but am co-authoring a book on 19th century Staffordshire women who had successful careers. It will take the form of a series of single chapter biographies of individual women. None of them are famous. The object is to show just how well many fairly ordinary women managed their lives, and finances, despite all the social and legal obstacles they had to deal with. Mary Ann Turner became matron of Stafford Lunatic Asylum in 1832, at a salary of £75 a year, and remained in post for over twenty years. She died in 1878, aged 77. I wondered whether anyone had any information about her, especially for the period up to 1832?
Pam
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Old-Bonez
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Hi Pam. Thanks for your reply
I have only just started looking at Williams family and have only his Marriage and the fact that he died in Longton. I have knowledge that he had 3 sons of which 2 died in a yachting accident on the Mediterranean. I know nothing of Daughters.
Mary Ann sounds like an interesting woman. She was born c. 1801 & William was bankrupt in 1806 as a result of business losses due to the renewal of the War with France in 1803.
Apparently they lived in one of the poorest areas of Lane End. Since William continued on as a potter he may have earned good money to educate his family. Afterall his sons seemed to have good money and education. Mary Ann would have also have access to the same upbringing... Her father had good contacts which may have benefited her. William was in France at the outbreak of the war and was captured as a Spy. If not for the Marquis of Stafford, who was the Ambassador at the time, William would have been put to death.
Please contact me direct for additional information
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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paminder
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Not quite sure how to reply 'direct' - is there a facility for that on this site? (I'm a new user, too). William Turner had at least three daughters - Sarah, who married William Palmer, a timber merchant in Hanley and had several children, and Elizabeth and Harriet who died young and presumably unmarried. In her will Mary Ann left £100 to erect a monument to 'my two dead sisters' in Longton parish church. Unfortunately, that church was demolished in 1960 and I am still waiting to hear whether the monument was relocated or not. Mary Ann left most of her money (just under £3000) to Sarah Palmer. I didn't know about the sons who died - does that information come from the Hillier book (in which case I missed it) or elsewhere? When exactly did it happen?
You might find a recent book 'A History of Longton' by JHY Briggs useful - there's quite a lot in it about the Turners. As to them living in a poor part of town - it was certainly a slum area in the mid 20th century but I don't think it was at the beginning of the 19th. They were a highly respectable family - William was an officer in the Yeomanry (which was a sort of Home Guard organisation), not a rank he would have achieved otherwise. And sons from poor families certainly didn't go yachting in the Mediterranean. That is why I am curious about Mary Ann. Respectable young women did not normally work, even in well paid occupations. (And yes, she was quite well educated. Matrons had to write reports and keep meticulous accounts) Admittedly her father had 'gone bankrupt' - though I think that meant something slightly different in 1806 as he still continued to run a business (with another 'bankruptcy sale' in 1812) until 1829. The Mary Ann whose family I am describing is definitely yours (on her death certificate she is described as 'daughter of William Turner potter of Lane End) and I am 99% certain she is the Mary Ann of the Lunatic Asylum (who was certainly born in Lane End). However, I have yet to discover exactly when she was born as there is 5 year discrepancy in the age given on her birth certificate and the age she gave the census enumerators in 1841,1851,1861 and 1871 - though they are obviously the same person because the addresses tally. I am going over to Staffordshire later in the week and if I turn up anything new I will let you know. Meanwhile, I'd be grateful for anything else you can tell me.
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paminder
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proud to be welsh
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I believe that you have been my details as I have been in contacted with the relative of the Turners. I live locally to Longton, Stoke-on-Trent and may be able to give some assistance - even though slightly limited.
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Old-Bonez
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Hello Proud Welshman
This is getting to be better than I could have ever wished for. Could you contact me direct please.
I am sure that Pam would like to ask info on a few of her findings too.
Awaiting your email, Rob
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« Last Edit: Wednesday 03 December 08 20:12 UTC (UK) by Old-Bonez »
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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Old-Bonez
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I have closed off another posting that ended up running parallel to this one so I'm hoping that both Joy and Crystal will continue and post their findings in here.
Joy.. An update on your findings of Ann Emery's mother. You found from the Brewood register that she was Elizabeth Thrustons? (hard to read). Well I took a look in headstone list in the churchyard and found that there were many Thrustons so I presume that this is the correct name. I logged into "Family search and obtained an IGI on her and then clicked the Pedigree tab .... Whoa... Instantly back through 7 generations to 1540 ..... Thank you very much for the lead Joy!
The tree I received from the USA has proved to be incorrect. Although the same names, birthdates and fathers names (mothers name was different) the one person cant be buried in two places. Not my Turner family.
A PM from Pam reveals that it isn't always easy. Good luck with finding the new parish Pam.
Last but not least. My post for Newport Shropshire has revealed another Turner marriage in Brewood that I can't account for. Maurice has replied saying "You probably have John Turner married Catherine Tagg at St Mary's, Brewood on October 19th 1760". I have searched the Headstones and find none from the "Tagg" family. Also I can't account for this John Turner as this marriage is one year after my potter John Turners marriage.
The puzzle goes on. Could somebody confirm this find in the Brewood register please.
Rob
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Staffordshire: Turner, Emery, Hyde & Markland
Lancashire: Stirrup, Harrison
London: Fountain,
England: Devonshire, Wingate,
Australia: Fountain, Turner, Solah, Paskins, Brookfield, Cowle, Trondsen
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