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Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« on: Monday 22 September 08 17:53 UTC (UK) »

I have been informed that my husbands family tree is recorded in a welsh book of old families of Caernarfonshire and Merionethshire, as I dont speak welsh I was wondering if anyone could help.
The family Williams lived at Gardd Llygad Y Dydd, Beddgelert around the early 1800
If anyone has any info on this family tree I would be very grateful

Many Thanks
Pam

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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 September 08 18:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pam  Smiley

It sounds like the 'Griffiths Pedigrees'

The Griffith Pedigrees  is a large book compiled by J. E Griffith of Bangor Univerisity in 1914. The title is Pedigrees of Anglesey and Caernarvonshire Families with their collateral branches in Denbighshire, Merionethshire and other parts. It has been Reprinted twice by Bridge Books, Wrexham.

ISBN 1-872424-63-5

It was £60 when I bought it a few years ago.



See this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,193727.0.html

I'll check but I think you might have to work further back to get a real link in.

Regards

Gadget

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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 September 08 21:19 UTC (UK) »

      Hi Pam,

             You can find the modern Gardd Llygad y Dydd on Google; I've had a

five-minute search in Griffith's Pedigrees, mentioned by Gadget, without finding

anything relevant. Gadget may do better. The book you need could, of course,

be another one.

             Best of luck,

                      Pinot
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 September 08 22:19 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for your help Gadget and Pinot
I have been told that the book in question is in fact a welsh book
by T Ceiri Griffiths is this the same book??
apparently it has not been translated into English, so if anyone knows of it or has a copy and can look up for me this would be great

Pam
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 September 08 22:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pam

I think it' a different book. There is a ref to it in this article:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bifhsusa//news/newsletter0407.pdf

Dolgellau,an RC member, might have a copy and he's fluent in Welsh  Smiley


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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 11:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pam,

    The book you need is indeed T. Ceiri Griffith's book, entitled (in Welsh) The pedigrees of some families of the old counties of Caernarfonshire, Merionethshire and Montgomeryshire (Achau rhai o deuluoedd hen Siroedd Caernarfon, Meirionnydd a Threfaldwyn), published by the author 2003, ISBN 0 9546367 0 8.
    Several lines from the Williams family of around 1800 have survived to the present age, with and without the original surname; if you wish I can send you details of a particular line or type up everything relevant; a scan is beyond me at the moment.

                       Cheers,

                              Pinot
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 13:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pinot

I also have a Williams family which I have traced back to Griffith Williams born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married an Ellinor Roberts from Llanrwst (first chil born around 1812) and wonder if by any chance this family is mentioned in the book. If it is I will of course purchase the book.

Thanks

Peter
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 21:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pinot
thank you for your offer of help I would be very grateful for anything, especially as I dont speak or read Welsh this is what I have so far

Jane Williams b1865 Gardd  Llygad Y Dydd
   m Richard Jones

her father was Thomas William c1828 Gardd Llygad Y Dydd and died there 1889
  m Marry Williams she was from Llanfrothen c1845 and died 1929 at Gardd Llygad Y Dydd

Thanks once again
Pam
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 22:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pam,
      Thomas, Jane's father, was one of the seven children of John Williams, Gardd Llygad y Dydd(married 7-2-1817 to Elizabeth, bapt 30-1-1791, dtr of Wm Williams, B.A. Oxon d.1834 and Jane, died 1815). John also one of seven children, was the son of William Parry, Gardd Llygad y Dydd, bapt. 4-9-1740, died 28-9-1827, married 1773 Jane Thomas, d.1803, dtr of Thomas ap Richard and Catherine. Wm Parry's will exists. Most of the family's BMDs were recorded at Beddgelert chuch.
                 Hope this is some help,

                          Pinot
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 September 08 23:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter,

          A preliminary search through the index entries for Dolwyddelan did not produce any mention of Griffith Williams; perhaps when I get the time do do the same for Ellinor in Llanrwst something may come to light. Shall let you know if it does.
              Cheers,

                      Pinot
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 25 September 08 08:25 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Pinot

Peter
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 28 September 08 16:26 UTC (UK) »

small world Pam.....sent you some info via e-mail....

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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 05 October 08 12:17 UTC (UK) »

hi Pam my family are from Gardd Llygad y Dydd but there are 2 farmhouses there and both are Williams! Both families ( my grandfather Thomas Williams and William Williams family) have been buried next to each other in Llanfrothen cemetry.I acn tell you that my great great grandmother was called Mary Jones. She came orig from Brondanw Llanfrothen and died 3/3/1929. She married Thomas Williams from Gardd Llygad y Dydd who was born 10/11/1827 and died when he was 62.

Seeing that you have the Powell surname at the bottom of your message then you might be searching for the family next door who are related to the famous Welsh judge Dewi Watkin Powell.
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 20:41 UTC (UK) »

Hi Peter,
I see you have been researching a Williams family in Dolwyddelan. My Williams family were at Beudy Bach (just a 100 yards or so from Penrhiw) in the 1840's and 1850's. There were Williams' also in Penrhiw and I've wondered if there is a connection between the families?
Willjay
Hi Pinot

I also have a Williams family which I have traced back to Griffith Williams born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married an Ellinor Roberts from Llanrwst (first chil born around 1812) and wonder if by any chance this family is mentioned in the book. If it is I will of course purchase the book.

Thanks

Peter
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Re: Williams- Old family Merioneth?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 01 September 09 22:16 UTC (UK) »

Hi Willjay

There appear to be several Williams families from the area. I have traced back to Griffith W born circa 1786 in Dolwyddelan who married Elinor (Roberts I believe) from the Llanrwst area. I have found 6 children Robert, John, Catherine,Griffith John again (assume first John died) and Jane and many more grandchildren and the next few generations. There also seem to be Jones's living at the farm which seems to be split although I do not have details at the moment.
Would like to forward what you have via Ancestry in a PM which you will be able to do after I think your 3rd posting and we can take it from there.

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