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Blubell17
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Alfred Spingett 1879-1955 & Great Uncle Richard
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Hi all,
I'm firstly wondering if anyone is also researching the Grindley name in the Shropshire area, I'd love to hear from you 
I recently found out that my ggg grandfather William Grindley born in 1835 Forton/Newport was born to Hannah Grindley born circa 1804 Forton. She later married Thomas Dutton in 1838 (not William's Father) I have them on the 1841 census with William aged 5 and their son Thomas aged 1. I then have William through to 1901 census and I am just in the process of finding Thomas and Hannah.
From Hannah's marriage certificate it states that her Father is John Grindley a Carpenter by trade. I have found him widowed on the 1851 census living with his son-in-law Joseph and Sarah Yates and daughter leonora with John's nephew Alfred (HO107 piece 1998 page 9).My problem is on looking for the census for 1841 it's very hard to read (HO107 piece 974 book 4 page 1 Staffordshire, Forton) and I'm not sure of John's wife's name?
It has John aged 60 and I can see it says carpenter born in county, but the rest of the names are pretty unrecognisable.
It mentions his wife Leonna Grindley 55 not of this county, his daughter Anne Grindley 20 and Alfred 3 months her base born son.
I know that there was another child for John and Leonna, Thomas Grindley as he was a witness at his sister Hannah's wedding. In looking for the baptism's for the children that i do know, Hannah (1804), Thomas, Sarah (1816) I haven't been able to confirm the parents, hoping to be able to find what John's wife's name for certain, is it Leonora or Honor. Possible Leonora because of the child on the 1851 census?
I have found extracted records for :
Thomas 3 Aug 1815 All Saints Forton, Staffs parents John and Honor
Sarah 11 May 1823 Forton, Staffs parents as above
Ann 11 Feb 1821 All Saints, Forton, Staffs parents as above
Mary 30 October as above
Any help at piecing this family together would be very welcome
Regards
Dee
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Springett - Kent & Birmingham. Bailey - Eastington & Frocester Gloucester, Gregory - Frocester & Eastington Gloucester, Hall - Lichfield, Staffordshire & Birmingham, Grindley - Shropshire & Birmingham, Pinnegar - Kingstanley & Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Watkins - Eastington, Gloucester, Wilkins - Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Lane-Birmingham, Underwood-Birmingham, Selwood-Gloucester, Martin-Staffordshire, Henshaw/Staffordshire/Birmingham, Boyman-Kent, Bicknell-Yorks/Birmingham, Betts-Birmingham
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Galium
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GRO death index shows Honour Grindley Dec quarter 1846 in Newport Sp district (includes Forton ). There is no death of Leonora or any variant with surname Grindley between 1841 and 1851 in Staffordshire/Shropshire.
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Blubell17
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Hi Dee
I think that the initial letter looks like an L rather than an H which would suggest Leonora. I will post the image itself to see what others think.
Nell
Hi Nell,
Many thanks for taking a look at the census. It does look like an L, and could quite possibly be Lenora. given that her grandchild is called Leonora it's looking more likely. The fly in the ointment is her death certificate which has her as Honor, wife of John Grindley (carpenter) Forton, and all the extracted IGI records have the parents as John and Honor. I'm definately leaning more to Leonora now.
Thanks for you input, it's much appreciated
Regards
Dee
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Springett - Kent & Birmingham. Bailey - Eastington & Frocester Gloucester, Gregory - Frocester & Eastington Gloucester, Hall - Lichfield, Staffordshire & Birmingham, Grindley - Shropshire & Birmingham, Pinnegar - Kingstanley & Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Watkins - Eastington, Gloucester, Wilkins - Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Lane-Birmingham, Underwood-Birmingham, Selwood-Gloucester, Martin-Staffordshire, Henshaw/Staffordshire/Birmingham, Boyman-Kent, Bicknell-Yorks/Birmingham, Betts-Birmingham
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Blubell17
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Alfred Spingett 1879-1955 & Great Uncle Richard
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GRO death index shows Honour Grindley Dec quarter 1846 in Newport Sp district (includes Forton ). There is no death of Leonora or any variant with surname Grindley between 1841 and 1851 in Staffordshire/Shropshire.
Hi,
I did send for that death certificate as it was the only on that fitted the time frame, adding a couple of checking points (husband's name, occupation) It is the right one, just that the name isn't the one stated on the 1841 census. I still think she's called Leonora.
Thanks for you help
Regards
Dee
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Springett - Kent & Birmingham. Bailey - Eastington & Frocester Gloucester, Gregory - Frocester & Eastington Gloucester, Hall - Lichfield, Staffordshire & Birmingham, Grindley - Shropshire & Birmingham, Pinnegar - Kingstanley & Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Watkins - Eastington, Gloucester, Wilkins - Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Lane-Birmingham, Underwood-Birmingham, Selwood-Gloucester, Martin-Staffordshire, Henshaw/Staffordshire/Birmingham, Boyman-Kent, Bicknell-Yorks/Birmingham, Betts-Birmingham
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Galium
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Have you noticed that there are three children of John Grindley and Honour baptised at Chetwynd, Shropshire listed on the IGI?
Elizabeth 1806
Hannah 1810
William 1812
The only other children of a John Grindley and Honour anywhere on the IGI are the ones at Forton, which is only a couple of miles away.
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Blubell17
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Have you noticed that there are three children of John Grindley and Honour baptised at Chetwynd, Shropshire listed on the IGI?
Elizabeth 1806
Hannah 1810
William 1812
The only other children of a John Grindley and Honour anywhere on the IGI are the ones at Forton, which is only a couple of miles away.
Hi,
Yes, I did notice the that their first three children were baptised at Chetwynd. I contacted the Shropshire records office and asked if they could look for a marriage for John Grindley. They checked the Chetwynd marriages register 1799-1806 but couldn't find one, they also checked the neighbouring Parish of Edgmond.
She said that she'd checked the IGI, but couldn't find any record of the marriage. She mentioned that they offer a £20 an hour search service, but since Shropshire records up until 1812 are well covered on the IGI she saw little point in pursuing it. Unless Leonora who was noted as being born out of county on the 1841 census, married in her own parish. So i've pretty much hit a wall with this couple.
Dee
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Springett - Kent & Birmingham. Bailey - Eastington & Frocester Gloucester, Gregory - Frocester & Eastington Gloucester, Hall - Lichfield, Staffordshire & Birmingham, Grindley - Shropshire & Birmingham, Pinnegar - Kingstanley & Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Watkins - Eastington, Gloucester, Wilkins - Leonard Stanley, Gloucester, Lane-Birmingham, Underwood-Birmingham, Selwood-Gloucester, Martin-Staffordshire, Henshaw/Staffordshire/Birmingham, Boyman-Kent, Bicknell-Yorks/Birmingham, Betts-Birmingham
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Blubell17
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Alfred Spingett 1879-1955 & Great Uncle Richard
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Hi Dee
Could it just be as simple as she used the name Leonora in everyday life - because she/they liked it/it was her middle name/it differed from her own mother's name - but she reverted to her original name by Christening for all official documents?
She would not be the first nor last person so to do.
Regards
Nell
Hi Nell,
Thanks for that, you're right I've had several people in my tree who have ignored their given first name to go on to be known by their middle names, and then reverted back on occasion or even dropped a middle name either because they didn't like it or they weren't aware of it.
Many thanks
Regards
Dee
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ColeshillCol
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My great grandfather was George Grindley. Born in Meertown (Forton) sometime between 1844 and 1846. He later lived in Edgmond, Shropshire, married Mary Evans and had six children - John, Janet, Alfred, Lillian, William and Edwin.
I think he died in 1884 in Shropshire, the only one of the children I know anything about is Lillian, who was my grandmother. She went to live in America.
Does any of this mean anything to anyone? I'd love to get in touch with the surviving Grindleys.
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Carberry - New York, USA, UK, Ireland. Clift - Cheltenham, Birmingham, Gloucsetershire. Grindley - Shropshire, Staffordshire, Birmingham, New York, USA. Johnson - Birmingham. Johnstone - Birmingham.
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Blubell17
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Hi ColeshillCol,
Do you know the parents of George Grindley born 1844-6, as we may have a family connection?
My Grandmother was Florence A A Grindley born 1904 Birmingham, I have traced her line back roughly to John Grindley who married Elizabeth Pickin 1777 Forton, it is their son John born 1780 Forton who married Honor/Leonora who Florence is descended from.
I see that on the 1901 census at 279 Pershore Road A widowed Mary Grindley is at home with her family. RG13 PIECE 2807 FOLIO 218 PAGE 2
John 27 Advertising Agent
Edwin 19 Chocolate Moulder (Cocoa)
William 17 ditto
Frank 2 (nephew)
It's possible that this could be a marriage for Edwin in March q 1911 Bromsgrove vol 6c page 407
Janet is on the 1901 census as a domestic nurse RG13 PIECE 122 FOLIO 179 PAGE 18 (she appears to be back in Kings Norton, Worcs on the 1911 census after a basic search)
Regards
Dee
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ColeshillCol
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Hi Dee,
No, I don't know the names of George Grindley's parents, but it sounds to me very much like these people may al be related. The Grindleys you mention inthe 1901 census are definitely the mother, brothers and sisters of my grandmother, Lilllian Grindley, I've researched that myself and so I'm 100% sure you're right on that one.
My father was born in New York, but came to live in Birmingham and he went to visit the Kings Norton Grindleys and he said that a few of them worked at Cadburys, so your chocolate moulder connection is spot on!
Let's compare notes....
Colin
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Carberry - New York, USA, UK, Ireland. Clift - Cheltenham, Birmingham, Gloucsetershire. Grindley - Shropshire, Staffordshire, Birmingham, New York, USA. Johnson - Birmingham. Johnstone - Birmingham.
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Blubell17
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Hi Colin,
I've been trying to see if I can find a birth for George circa 1844/6 on IGI, which I'm sure you've already looked for. Have you found a BMD birth for him?
I think I found George on the 1841 census as an adopted child of William, 34 Bricklayer and Mary Sutton 35 and their daughter Mary 2. The family are at Edgmond Marsh, Shrop. There are other Sutton family members nearby.
Enumerated as GRINELLY H0107 PIECE 1998 FOLIO 151 PAGE 25
I'm sure you already have all this information, but i'm just trying to familiarise myself with his history.
There is an IGI birth for a George Grindley 29 September 1844, Newport Shropshire, Mother Emma Grindley and a possible BMD birth George Massey Grindley Dec q 1844 Newport vol 26 page 119.
Regards
Dee
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ColeshillCol
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Hi Dee,
Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't know what IGI is, nor a BMD birth.
The family definitely lived at Edgmond Marsh, so the George on the 1841 Census must be something to do with this, although 1841 throws me a bit. I had thought my great grandfather George was born later than that.
I found the family living at Edgmond Marsh in the 1851 census and yes, it does seem he was adopted by the Suttons, so that tallies perfectly with the 1841 census you found.
regards,
Colin
PS: Incidentally, in one of your earlier messages you mentioned a Frank Grindley, who was aged two and living with the family in Birmingham at the time of the 1901 census. Frank was my uncle. He was Lillian's (my grandmother's) illegitimate son. We think Lillian was sent packing because of the shame she'd brought on the family but for some reason she initially left the baby behind, with her mother, Mary. Later on, a very young Frank turns up in New York, Lillian marries my grandfather who brings Frank up as his own son. Lillian has three other boys and then they come back to England, but Frank, who's still only about 15, stays behind in America. Frank stayed in America for the rest of his life, except for fighting in Europe during World War One. He died in California in 1987. My dad's two brothers moved back to America and had families there, one of my living cousins in America met Frank a few times.
Are these people related to your own grandmother, Florence?
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Carberry - New York, USA, UK, Ireland. Clift - Cheltenham, Birmingham, Gloucsetershire. Grindley - Shropshire, Staffordshire, Birmingham, New York, USA. Johnson - Birmingham. Johnstone - Birmingham.
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Blubell17
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Hi Dee,
Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't know what IGI is, nor a BMD birth.
The family definitely lived at Edgmond Marsh, so the George on the 1841 Census must be something to do with this, although 1841 throws me a bit. I had thought my great grandfather George was born later than that.
I found the family living at Edgmond Marsh in the 1851 census and yes, it does seem he was adopted by the Suttons, so that tallies perfectly with the 1841 census you found.
regards,
Colin
PS: Incidentally, in one of your earlier messages you mentioned a Frank Grindley, who was aged two and living with the family in Birmingham at the time of the 1901 census. Frank was my uncle. He was Lillian's (my grandmother's) illegitimate son. We think Lillian was sent packing because of the shame she'd brought on the family but for some reason she initially left the baby behind, with her mother, Mary. Later on, a very young Frank turns up in New York, Lillian marries my grandfather who brings Frank up as his own son. Lillian has three other boys and then they come back to England, but Frank, who's still only about 15, stays behind in America. Frank stayed in America for the rest of his life, except for fighting in Europe during World War One. He died in California in 1987. My dad's two brothers moved back to America and had families there, one of my living cousins in America met Frank a few times.
Are these people related to your own grandmother, Florence?
Hi Colin,
I am by no means an expert, but i'm always happy to try to help
The census I found was actually the 1851, I had looked at so many that I'm afraid I noted down the wrong year of 1841. It gives the estimated date of birth as 1845, so this is correct for George, and also the area the family were living in. If you follow him through onto the 1861 and 1871 censuses, his profession of bricklayer also fits with the later censuses you already have.
www.freebmd.rootsweb.com is a site that enables you to look for possible birth's deaths and marriages starting from September 1837. For example by imputing George Grindley and Mary Evans with the county of Shropshire I find that George and Mary married in the Sept q of 1872 Newport Sh. 6a vol 1285. This reference would allow you to send for a copy of a marriage certificate from the GRO. Information such as their address at the time of their marrage, ages, parents names and occupations as well as the names of witnesses. This would prove useful in regard to George as you don't know his parentage. Given that he appears to have been adopted by the Sutton's he may well give his adopted parents name or simply make one up.
The birth registration details can be searched for in the same manner, the nearest one to the estimated age and location is the one I mentioned for George Massey Grindley Dec q 1844 Newport vol 26 page 119. This again would give his actual date of birth, mother and Father's name (although again, given he may have been illegitimate, his mother may have left it blank or made one up) I know he has a middle name, it may be that he chose not to use it, didn't like it or wasn't aware of it.
You can also search for a death registration, again with the location/county they were living in at the time and it may also give you an approximate age.
When you search for marriages the results will contain sometimes a couple of options as to the possible brides (not always the one they appear to be paired with) But I suggest you read the very useful help pages.
www.familysearch.org allows you to search for baptisms, marriages and deaths of your ancestors as well as the 1881 UK, Canadian and US censuses. There is information on Rootschat about how to interpret the records you find and you will also find the Hugh Wallis batch numbers very helpful indeed.
I think our family connection may be further back, possibly with George's mother i'm just not sure yet. I'm still trying to pad out my early Grindleys after doing all I can on a direct line back from Florence to John and Leonora/Honor Grindley born circa 1790.
If you need any more information or help let me know, i'll PM you my email address
Regards
Dee
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