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Topic: Mary Ann Bishop,born Penhurst,Update (Read 1062 times)
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omega 1
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Hi Valda
The Mitchell line is OHs .His Grandfather was a younger son of George & Mary Ann.
We have decided to go to the Register Office with birth cert & info on full index of George Nelson M Bishop to see if they can explain why.That will be Tuesday.
I am going to phone up Lewes tomorrow for a time slot to go through the Parish Records.
Its annoying the 1861 Census for Penhurst is missing.
Will let you know the outcome.
Thank-you again
Omega.
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omega 1
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Hi to people who helped with this thread
I am feeling a bit embarrassed with regards to George Nelson Mithcell birth cert.I dont know how i could be SO THICK,cant tell you what i called myself . Of course his surname was Bishop.But he then started using the surname Mitchell.
We have been over to the Records Office.OH looked right through the Penhurst baptiums,they were no Bishops at all.
If i remember rightly,Valda found a Mary Ann on the 1861 born Ewhurst.
I have found a Mary Ann on the 1871 in Hastings,born Robertsbridge,but right age.
I will see if i can get the Registrar to do a longer search for a marriage.
Thank-you
Omega
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Valda
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Salehurst and Robertsbridge is a civil parish in East Sussex, England. The parish includes the villages of Robertsbridge, Salehurst and Northbridge Street.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salehurst
from sillgen
In 1871 there is a domestic servant in Hastings called Mary A Bishop but her place of birth is Robertsbridge.
from my earlier post
Robertsbridge is just under 7 miles from Penhurst. On the 1861 census you then have this entry.
1861 RG9 571 folio 7
Salehurst Robertsbridge Sussex
Samuel Bishop 52 Head Married Ag lab Westfield Sussex
Mary Bishop 49 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
William Bishop 30 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
James Bishop 16 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
Henry Bishop 14 Son Ag lab Salehurst Sussex
George Bishop 10 Son Ewhurst Sussex
Mary Ann Bishop 8 Daughter Ewhurst Sussex
BISHOP, Mary Anne Christening
Christening Date:26 Sep 1852 Salehurst, Sussex
Father:Samuel BISHOP
Mother:Mary
Ewhurst is about 5 miles away from Salehurst but much closer 'as the crow flies'.
1871 census RG10 1047 folio 45
Northbridge Street Salehurst
Samuel Bishop 62 Head Married Labourer on turnpike road Westfield Sussex
Mary Bishop 59 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
1851 census HO107 1636 folio 253
Furnance? Lands? Ewhurst
Samuel Bishop 46 Head Married Agricultural Labourer Sedlecomb Sussex
Mary Bishop 39 Wife Married Salehurst Sussex
Thomas Bishop 15 Son Agricultural labourer Saleshurst Sussex
Sophia Bishop 11 Daughter Salehurst Sussex
Harriot Bishop 8 Daughter Salehurst Sussex
James Bishop 6 Son Salehurst Sussex
Henry Bishop 4 Son Salehurst Sussex
George Bishop 8 Months Son Ewhurst Sussex
1871 census RG10 1031 folio 66
8 Cambridge Terrace Holy Trinity, Hastings Sussex
Mary A Bishop 19 General Servant Robertsbridge, Sussex
Still doesn't prove that it is the correct Mary Ann Bishop who later lived with George Nelson Mitchell.
Have you explored the Hastings church registers e.g. for baptisms like this (a late baptism at roughly the time George Nelson Mitchell Bishop was born) or burials, to see if more information is given in the register which might give further Hastings addresses.
BISHOPP, Mary Elizabeth
Christening Date:7 Sep 1875 All Saints Hastings, Sussex
Mother:Mary Ann BISHOPP but born 1874, death registered shortly after baptism.
Regards
Valda
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omega 1
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Hi Valda
The Cert i have for George is the correct one but got myself in a muddle.
I have young George Nelson Mitchell on the 1901 census,in the Royal Navy,in port,Bermada.We have his Service records.
We have his Death Cert,28th June 1930,at Barming Heath Hospital,Chatham.He had been a Rigger at the Dock Yards.
Think he was a bit of a Lad after reading cause of Death (yikes)
The only way of solving Mary Ann is hopefully a Marriage can be found.If not will have to give up
Thank-you
Omega
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omega 1
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From what i have read,hopefully they start releasing 1911 next year
Lets keep everything crossed,we are all waiting
Omega
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omega 1
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Hi All
I now have the 1911 census.
George Nelson Mitchell,stated he was a Widower & been married 37 years.
I still cant find a marraige & even worse cant find a Death for Mary Ann,
using Mitchell or Bishop.
Looking back at the 1901,there is a Brother with them,Harry Campbell,aged 40,from Herstmonceux.
I then looked to see if a could find a marriage between a Bishop & Campbell & drew a blank.
I am now wondering if Mary Ann`s Dad died & Mum remarried.
I am going round in for ever decreasing circles.
Its a nightmare
Omega
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flavia
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Hello,
Have you solved your Mary Ann Bishop birth record yet? If not, try loooking at Battle Dec 1852 2b 39.
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Flavia
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Valda
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The Battle birth registration is the candidate already discussed in detail on the first page of this topic.
Mary Anne Bishop
Christening: 26 SEP 1852 Salehurst, Sussex
Father: Samuel Bishop
Mother: Mary
Harry Campbell may very well be a boarder not a brother (the relationship should be to the head of household) and this is a census enumerator's mistake. On the 1891 and 1881 censuses he is in Hastings married to Maria born Warbleton or Whatlington. A slightly younger 'Henry' Campbell born Warbleton is with parents Thomas and Dinah in Sandhurst Kent in 1871.
Mary Ann and George may never have married. Some people just didn't get around to it. It was much more common than people think. There may have been a reason for it such as a previous marriage by either partner that broke down, or once they had begun living together it would have been to problematical in later life to have married and admitted all those years they were not married and the children were actually illegitimate.
Mary Ann's death may not have occurred in Hastings if she died while visiting any of her children or other relatives. Do you know where all the grown up children were between 1901 and 1911? It might then be worth searching for any likely death registrations in those areas.
The most likely Mary Ann Mitchell death registrations (and of course her death could just have been registered as Mary) appear to be the 1905 one in Steyning Sussex and the 1902 in Brentford Middlesex.
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Valda
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omega 1
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Hi Valda
Thank-you for all your suggestions & look ups you have done.
With a marriage for George Nelson & Mary Ann,we were just clutching at straws..
We have discussed at length possible scenarios as to where Mary Ann died IE visiting children.
I think i`ll have to wait until the 1911 is hopefully put on main site.
On the 1901 i found 1 son in the Navy in Bermuda & another one on Holiday curtesy of HM Navel Prison ,Bodmin,Cornwall  .
So i need to find them .
The Surname Mitchell in Hastings is common,so i have to be careful of getting things right.
King Regards
Omega
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