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Topic: Templetons of Creetown, Kirkmabreck (Read 2198 times)
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Gadget
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Hi Caroline 
some of my ancestors came from Creetown - not Templetons though.
What dates and first names are you interested in?
Gadget
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Cjeff
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Thanks Gadget
Unfortunately I don't think this is my Samuel Templeton. My ancestor was born c1829. He died in Newcastle in 1887 Q4 aged 58.
The Samuel Templeton's born around that time and in that area on the 1841 census were:
1. Samuel Templeton born c1826 Kirkcudbrightshire
Living in Creetown Old Street, Kirkmabreck
Other Templetons in the household were Catherine born c1791 Kirkcudbrightshire, Mary born c1826 Kirkcudbrightshire, Jess born c1828 Kirkcudbrightshire, David born c1831 Kirkcudbrightshire.
(We believed our Samuel to be the above. On the 1851 census we found Catherine noted above with husband Samuel, although we have found no marriage record, we assumed these were Samuels parents?)
2. Samuel Templeton born c1832 Kirkcudbrightshire
Living at Gatehouse Back Street, Girthon, Kirkcudbrightshire
Other Templetons in the household were Grace b1794 Kirkcudbrightshire and Eliza b1823 Kirkcudbrightshire.
3. Samuel Templeton born c1831 Wigtownshire
Living at Blacksmiths House, Penninghame, Wigtownshire
Other Templetons in the household were Adam, b1806 Wigtownshire, Anne b1811 Wigtownshire, Elish b1829 Wigtownshire, Jane b1833 Scotland, John b1835 Wigtownshire, Anne b1837 Wigtownshire, William b1840 Wigtownshire.
Regards
Caroline
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Gadget
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Hi Caroline
If you still believe that he was born in Creetown (I see that you posted in Wigtownshire as well), I'll have a look in my MI books later this evening.
Just back from a 7 hour trip from the highlands.
Regards
Gadget
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Gadget
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Hi again
I've just been looking at the MIs for Creetown/Kirkmabreck and Kirkdale
There are 3 Stones in Kirkmabreck but 2 refer to the family in Liverpool and the other is a Helen Templeton who was the wife of a Samuel Nae
Re the 1841 entry - Age given as 15 (b.c. 1826). This was very likely to have been a grouped age. In the 1841 those of 15 and over were (supposed to be) allocated to 5 year age groupings and the ages were rounded down. Thus 15 would include those aged 15-19; 20 would include 20-24; etc.
I see that you have a likely contender in Wigtownshire with possible links to Ayrshire.
Regards
Gadget
Modified to add link to other thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,330929.0.html
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Gadget
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I'm not sure if I've got the correct Samuel on the 1861 - Westgate, Newcastle RG9/3810 F 39 Page 11
but if so, I see he has a wife, Jane and a young daughter, Catherine. Have you located their marriage cert? This would give his father's name.
Gadget
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madpants
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Also on this post
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,330929.0.html
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GREENWELL - Middlesbrough
TURNBULL - Houghton le Spring, Coxhoe, Spennymoor
DEVEY - Pentonville, Stockton, M'bro
MOHAN/HUN - Stockton on Tees
SCRAFTON - Darlington
BROADBENT - Saddleworth, Ashton Under Lyne
HEMSWELL - Grantham, M'bro
SIMPKINS - M'bro
SIMPKIN - Little Wratting, Suffolk
MALLALIEU - Saddleworth, Ashton U L
GOODWIN - Macclesfield Forest
SUTCLIFFE - Heptonstall, Ashton U L
PLIMMER - Pontesbury, Ashton U L
CAMBRIDGE - Goulborne, Ashton U L
SIDDALL - Ashton U L
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Gadget
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Hi Caroline
Where do you have him b. Creetown?
Also, how did you find that they were stonemasons?
Another also  Does it say on his children's birth certs that he was born in Troon? I've not seen that on an E & W cert.before. It usually gives the place of residence rather a birthplace of father.
Hi Madpants - I'd given the link a couple of messages before
There's also a posting on the Ayrshire board.
Gadget
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Cjeff
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Hi again
We believed our Samuel Templeton to be:
1841 - Living with Catherine Templeton (mother? b1789 Kirkmabreck), Mary Templeton (15), David Templeton (10), Jess Templeton (13), Janet Rain (75), Mary M Robert (35) and her children in Creetown.
1851 - Living with others including David Templeton b1831 Creetown in Renfrewshire, Samuel is a stone mason, birthplace given as Creetown.
1861 - Living in Westgate with wife and daughter. Birthplace given as Scotland, stone mason.
1871 - Living with wife and children in Byker, Newcastle with wife and children, birthplace given as Scotland, stone mason.
1881 - Living with wife and children in Byker, stone mason. Birthplace given as Kirkmabruik.
1887 - Died Newcastle
We thought Catherine b1789 was Samuel's Mother (on 1841 census), and on the 1851 she was with husband Samuel (b1791 Girthon), he was in Ross, Borgue, Kirkcudbrightshire on the 1841 census, a mason, with other masons. He was still a mason in 1851, but we can't find either after this time. So we believed his parents to be the above Catherine and Samuel.
We can be certain that our Samuel b c1829 was the one on the 1861-1881 censuses at least!
Regards
Caroline
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Gadget
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It looks very much like b. Kirkmabreck to me on your evidence but no sign in the records. I've just done a global search on Templeton births in Kirkcudbrightshire for 1820-1835. There is an interesting baptisms in Girthon - might be the Catherine and Samuel senior:
4 June 1820 John Templeton s/o Samuel Templeton and Catherine Milligan.
I know that some of the Kirkmabreck records are missing - but I thought it was earlier on 
I'll see if I can find anything else.
Gadget
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Gadget
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I also see that on the 1851, Samuel, senior was born in Girthon and Catherine in Kirkmabreck. I think the female Jess, aged 13 onthe 1841 is the Jannet, aged 23 on the 1851 (Janet - Jessie - Jess):
http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?search_name=Jessie&search_sex=F&action=search&Submit=Submit
The 1841 just has the following as one household:
169 Old Street, Creetown
Catherine Templeton, 50
Mary, 15,
Samuel, 15
Jess, 13
David, 10
all b. Kirkcudbrightshire
Tthe other names (Robert and Rain family) were living next door at no. 168. There is a definite start/finish slash between the households. Maybe the indexing was wrong but my info is from the census image.
I am sure that this is your family now having looked at the availably evidence (a family of masons, David and Samuel on the 1851, b. Creetown or Kirkmabreck on some of the censuses, etc.). The problem is that there seems to be no baptism record (many were not recorded or not baptised or maybe not bpt. in C of Scotland).
I'll have a look at what Girthon records I have.
Have you followed up David and sister Janet/Jess?
Gadget
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