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Patsy Beech
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Hi Folks,
I am trying to establish a link between my 4 x great grandfather Nicholas Strong, (Steamboat owner) born 30th July 1775 in Newburn, Northumberland, and John Strong, (Steamboat owner) born c1772 in Newburn, Northumberland. The reason why I have put this on the Cheshire board is John Strong ending up living in Birkenhead or at least his wife did!
The story so far is that John Strong Strong married Elizabeth Fair[e]s in Newburn on the 18th April 1796 and they had 5 children:-
1796 Ann (this is a doubtful because her mother's name is given as Ann!)
1.2.1798 William Strong - Newburn
6.2. 1801 John Strong - Newburn (Scotswood area Newcastle)
30.4.1803 Anthony Strong - Newburn
11.6.1807 Joseph Strong - Newburn
I think Elizabeth died and John remarried sometime between 1807 & 1814, Hannah Elliott
Their children were:-
1814 Elizabeth - born Felling Shore / Heworth
1816 Robert - born Heworth
1817 William - born Heworth
1821 Nicholas - born Heworth
1823 Hannah - born Heworth
1826 Thomas - born Heworth
1830 Henry - born Heworth
27.3.1838 Mary Agnes - born Middlesbrough
In 1841 & 1851 the family were living in Commercial Street, Middlesbrough. By the time of the next census in 1861 John had died as Hannah is a widow plus she had moved to Bridge Street in Birkenhead with quite a lot of her family. (RG9/2641 Folio 131 page 59) Hannah is still alive at the time of the 1881 census living at 8 Sandford Street, Birkenhead with two of her sons Robert & Thomas.
Hannah died on 29th June 1883 and her will reads
"The Will of Hannah Strong late of Birkenhead in the County of Chester, Widow who died 29th June 1883 at Birkenhead was proved at Chester by Thomas Redhead of Church Street, Birkenhead, Steamboat Proprietor, a surviving executor"
Now the executor Thomas Redhead was also from the north east of England and had arrived in Cheshire via Scotland! Any family connection do you think as two of his chidren were called Joseph Elliott Redhead & Thomas Elliott Redhead?!!! Elliott being Hannah's maiden name.
Going back to my 4 x great grandfather Nicholas Strong he was also a steamboat owner and this was a family tradition through later generations as well. His wife was Jane Chapman whom he married on 11th November 1797 in Newburn, Northumberland. Their children were:-
11.6.1798 Ann - born Newburn
18.7.1799 Robert - born Newburn
18.12.1801 Nicholas - born Newburn
8.4.1804 Elizabeth - born Newburn
11.12.1807 Charles - born Newburn
1811 Anthony - born Bell's Close, (Scotswood area Newcastle)
If you compair the two families you will notice quite a few similarities in names and birth locations - too much of a coincidence for them not to be related BUT HOW!!!!!! Brothers or cousins?
I have searched until I am crossed eyed and suspect that at one time their priest was Italian because he loved to add i's to the end of names Anthonii ~ Nicholi ~ Jacobi ~ Georgii but just which child belongs to which parent is driving me nuts as the names Nicholas, Anthony, Robert, Ann & Elizabeth are repeated over and over again.
All help in revealing the picture of this jigsaw gratefully received.
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Melagbe
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Hi Patsy,
although I have Redhead in Birkenhead, originally from Yorkshire, I don't think they are connected to your search.
However, I have a contact, that you should be in touch with and I will pm you an email address I had for her.
regards
Mel
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main family lines at Wirral -( Davies, Wilson, Price, Redhead, Dawson) Liverpool - ( Evans, Lowey, Pettigrew), North Wales (Davies, Roberts, Owens, Gage), Exeter (Martin, Hall, Davey, Sweetland, Follett), Sprowston ( Stone, Germany), Sheffield and Rotherham (Bailey/Beeley, Martin) http://www.sheffieldrecordsonline.org.uk/ |
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Patsy Beech
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Thank you for the reply Mel, and I have sent you more family information on a PM about the Redheads just to check if there are any matching names.
I have just noticed that one of John Strong & Elizabeth Fair[e]s sons, Joseph Strong, born c1807 married a Jane Hughes in West Acklam, Yorkshire in 1837. West Acklam is also the place given on the 1861 census as the birth place of 4 of the Readhead children Mary Ann, Sarah Dorothy, William & Elizabeth. The plot thickens!!!!!
Good Luck with your searching,
Patsy
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All census lookups are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBarnes, Berry, Curry, Freeman, Jeffels, Nipper, Robson, Shiel, Stokell, Thompson, Urquhart, (County Durham) Elstob, Fidler, Hunter, Strong (Northumberland) Acus, Bayes, Beech, Bell, Bird, Blaskett, Blatchly, Byatt, Daly, Farmer, Fricker, Hartelbury, Voullaire-Campbell (London) Berry, Graham, Urquhart (Scotland) Thompson, McCullough (County Down, Ireland) |
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Hackstaple
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Posts: 2676
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Thomas Redhead m. Elizabeth Elliott at Newburn 18 Nov 1772.
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Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena. Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Patsy Beech
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Thank You folks for your replies and interest. All pieces for this jigsaw gratefully received.
The marriage recorded looks very interesting because not only is it the right names it is the right area for the family. Unfortunately the dates don't fit because the Thomas Redhead married to an Elizabeth I am looking for were not born then. Thomas Redhead who was executor of Hannah's will was born c1822, and his wife Elizabeth was born c1819 and therefore would have been about 24 year younger than Hannah Strong [nee Elliott]. Perhaps Thomas Redhead the younger was son of Thomas Redhead the elder!!!!
Or how about Hannah Elliott's dad's sister being Elizabeth Elliott who married Thomas Redhead in Newburn in 1772 - how to you prove that one?
I have now received a copy of John Strong's will from the Cheshire and Chester Archives and Local Studies (Wow! What a fast and efficient service - other areas please come up to their standard), and his will was proved on 7th September 1858 by his brother-in-law John Noble. John Noble was married to Mary Elliott on 17th August 1823 in Jarrow. So therefore Mary & Hannah were sister.
John must have been quite a business man because the will mentions his steamboat, houses and real eastate including stock from his railway. Makes a change from only finding servants in my family tree!
As for the extra I's on the end of names, yes I think it could be because the family were Roman Catholic, but when they moved over to the other side of the river from Ryton, Durham to Newburn, Northumberland their weddings and baptisms seem to be church of England!!!! I wonder if there was no Roman Catholic church available in the area? With nearly all the family being watermen and steamboat owners the river Tyne was not a barrier - more like their motorway.
I have so many pieces of separate information I am finding this branch of the family tree very confussing, but all the pieces look as though they come from the same jigsaw!
Thanks again for your help and suggestions.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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spademum
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Patsy - I don't know if you are still looking for Hannah Elliott.
She is a relative of mine (my 4 x great aunt I think - or something like that) born in Snowdon's Hole, Jarrow in 1779. Her father was Robert Elliott and her mother was Agnes Noble. Her sister, Dorothy is my 3 x times great grandmother who married William Redhead in St Mary Heworth in 1812 - St Mary Heworth being a chapelry of St Paul Jarrow. Dorothy's son son Thomas, is the Thomas who is the executor of the will - ie her nephew. He was in business in Birkenhead - shipbuilders, Redhead Harland and Brown. Don't know much about Brown but Harland married Thomas's sister Dorothy.
My 3 times great grandfather, John, who was Thomas's brother was also living in Commercial Street at the end of the 1840's. The family then decamped to Glasgow where they can be found in 1851 in Greenock West - presumably for the ship building. They were all in Birkenhead by 1853 as the births of some of their children can be found in the local parish registers. Dorothy Elliott, Hannah's sister died in Birkenhead in 1888 and is buried in a local churchyard.
Somewhere I have a copy of Hannah's will - also from Chester Archive.
I have an extensive family tree about the Redheads but nothing about the Strongs. However, the Bishop's Transcripts of the Durham church records are available online at familysearch.org if you want to trawl through to find out more about the Strong family. I shall add your info to my own database and should you need any help please feel free to get in touch.
Best wishes
Judith
Since I wrote this - I have been spoken to a family member in Canada who has done some research in to the Strongs and has John Strong born in Ryton in Durham. I have trawled the Newburn Parish Transcripts online and not found any Strongs in either the marriages or the baptisms. But I have found 3 marriages in Ryton - the baptisms are not available online. The marriages are on Genuki and there are Nicholas who married Jane Hardcastle 1758; John who married Mary Richardson 1761 and Nicholas who married Isabel Robinson 1761.
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