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Topic: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next (Read 1895 times)
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Dean1
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hi
there is a birth registered for Myrtle T Foster mother's maiden name Bright 1920 in Edmonton which covers Cheshunt; East Tottenham; Edmonton; Enfield; Hampstead; Hornsey; Pymmes Park, Southgate; Tottenham; Waltham Abbey; West Tottenham; Wood Green
would this be your Myrtle
This is my Myrtle - correct area, correct mother's maiden name and she was obviously younger than I thought.
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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Sorry Sue, I should have explained what I meant better.
If you can get some one to have a look at the complete 1851 census on a paid site, they can fill in a 1st name leave surname blank, fill in year of birth & place of birth. It should then come up with a list of names & hopefully one that fitd in with your chap.
Do you mean for the whole country in 1851 or just one area. I have a membership to ancestry.co so will have a go. Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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It did and I thought so too until I found George Foster on the 1861 census in the Navy (Kezia's George is on the census in Lancashire with a wife in 1861 if I remember correctly).
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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I can't find him in 1861, where does it say he was born?
The apart from Attely, which is difficult to decipher, he seems to think Congleton/Astbury is where he was born. Assuming Kesia married William Forster, the G with Kesia, would seem to be a good candidate. Whetstone Edge is just a couple of miles east of Astbury.
[/b]1861[b] It says he was born in Congleton, Cheshire. The actual census is RG9/647 Folio 27, page 35
Because he is now a Marine he is listed by his initials. It says he was born in 1841 and is age 20. He is living in Barracks at Alverstoke, Portsmouth, Hants.
[/b]1871[b] says he was born Attley, Cheshire. Birth date 1842. Residence 1871 Alverstoke, Hants. The census is RG10, Piece 1150, Folio 79, Page 22
[/b]1881[b]born Congleton, Cheshire 1841. Residence in 1881 Alverstoke, Hants.
Census RG11, Piece 1166, Folio 129, page 20
[From his military paperwork he leaves the navy in March 1881 - he remains in the area for a while (found on parish register as witness to more than one wedding) His wife's family had a Tailor's/Drapers closeby at 12 Forton Road, Forton, Hants]
[/b]1891[b]born Astbury, Cheshire 1845. Residence in 1891 Epping, Chingford, Essex
Census: 1891 RG12, Piece 1361, Folio 25, Page 42
[Between 1881 and 1901 - start and end dates unknown - George Foster worked as a Police Officer Central Market. The Metropolitan Police archives have no record of him. The Epping Museum has a list of police for that time and he is not on it. It has been suggested that he was a kind of security officer. The reason I tried to trace him through the Police is because they have pictures usually]
[/b]1901[b] born 1846 Astbury, Cheshire
Residence Clerkenwell - now describes himself as a naval pensioner - several children still at home.
Census: RG13, P252, F219, Page 28
[/b]Possible Death[b] Islington, Middlesex, 1906.
The above is what I know about him - below is what I have put on his anc.co tree thinking/hoping it may be right!
[/b]1851[b] b1842 Clerkenwell
Residence 1851 Chingford, Essex
Census HO107, P1770, F11 Page 15
If this is correct he will not be on the 1841 census anywhere.
I found a possible birth for him but it was registered in Stepney, not Clerkenwell - Foster: Q1 1844 Stepney Vol II, P5511.
I am not sure if this clarifies anything at all sadly. If anyone wants to check with the tree in case I am overlooking anything obvious, it is the Dean/Cronshaw/Foster tree.
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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heywood
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There is one other odd twist about the Foster story. My aunt Myrtle Teresa Bachelor (nee Foster) married a Tom Bachelor - as far as I know he came from London but am not sure and I know nothing else about him except that he committed suicide. There was no legacy and Tom Bachelor shot himself on a train in a London station I am told because they were absolutely broke - I can't find a record of his death - I don't know when he died but I would have thought the Foster Will he was after would have been interesting. However, I have no idea quite where it would have been. There is, of course, no one left to tell me! I have tried to check newspapers on anc.co for that time but first of all can't really work out how to use that particular set up and secondly I have no real idea of the timescale I am looking at. Myrtle was born, I believe, about 1918 and I have no idea when she married and I can't find a record of it. There is no real hint that they had children although a photo I have, from the body language, suggests there may have been grandchildren but totally unable to confirm this. One thing I do know is that if Myrtle's husband shot himself in a London station and he was coming from Essex, it would have been either Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street. I wonder how to follow that up? 
Just to add re Myrtle and Tom's birth etc- There is a Thomas Batchelor (with the 't') in Births in Edmonton - 1916. Looked for Bachelors - nothing suitable. Is that her death is recorded (I think) as Myrtle Thelma Batchelor in Southampton 2001? There may well be living relatives so we must take care.
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Dean1
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I am not sure if Myrtle Thelma is mine - am pretty sure she died the same year as her sister Evelyn, in 1994. It is quite possible her middle name was not Teresa - I am not entirely sure where I actually got that from!
You are right that there is a possibility of living family with Myrtle - I don't think there is but just could be.
Have just been looking at the Astbury Parish website. I believe Astbury was the major town when GF was born and Congleton was a town within the Astbury area - Baptism, if it took place at all, would have been, I imagine in Congleton.
As for access to Parish Registers - I am told by my sister who works for a Bishop no less, that every library has a copy of the Parish Registers - I think that is what she told me. I imagine this is main libraries rather than branch ones.
I have just been going over GFs military record again - he definitely gives his birth as 4.10.1840 which allowing for him to upgrade his age would probably be 4.10.1845/6. He is also C of E which may be helpful. Will re-check with the online Bishops transcripts.
Another thing crossed my mind - Congleton had a canal and a lively one at that all those years ago. I don't think they were encompassed in the census in 1841 - the logistics of that would have been too great then but by 1851 they may have been done but is probably not entirely reliable. I am supposing it is possible that GF was actually born on a canal boat - I believe the whole family travelled on it - it was their home. Just a thought, no proof. The chap I have put on my tree as GFs father is William Foster b 1816 Weston, Staffs, who was a bone cutter and shaving brush maker. He ended up in Essex and then I think Clerkenwell but am so confused by all of this I actually can't remember any more!
Am going to try the London Gazette now for Tom's demise.
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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I am not sure who George and Hannah Tomkinson are - I must have missed something somewhere.
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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deryckjohn
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Hi Heywood,
Did you spot this thread as well 
It has George son of William and Kezia baptised Astbury.
Deryck
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deryckjohn
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Also Staffordshire BMD have the marriage:
William FORSTER Heziah BAYLEY Biddulph, St Lawrence
She was in Bidduplh in 1841.
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Dean1
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Hi Heywood, Did you spot this thread as well It has George son of William and Kezia baptised Astbury. Deryck I think the George who is the son of William and Kezia is on the 1861 census in Manchester with a wife. I have "my" George on the 1861 census in barracks in Alverstoke, Hants - he had signed up in December 1860 and went to Portsmouth in January 1861. I don't think this can be my George sadly. Sue |
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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