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deryckjohn
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #45 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 17:45 UTC (UK) »

Strange about that marriage- Keziah did come from Biddulph but there is also a Congleton marriage - see earlier in this thread and as a result we linked William, Keziah and young George.


Hi Heywood,

I expect it it is the same marriage, the original registration district being Congleton, but at a later date the registers moved to Stoke.

Deryck

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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #46 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 17:47 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

All I can say (and I have to admit I thought this was a goer until I realised) is that George, son of Kezia and William was in Lancashire, married etc in 1861 when my George was in Forton Barracks, Portsmouth in the RMLI.

Kezia's son fits very well apart from this.

I don't really know where to go from here.    Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #47 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 18:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

All I can say (and I have to admit I thought this was a goer until I realised) is that George, son of Kezia and William was in Lancashire, married etc in 1861 when my George was in Forton Barracks, Portsmouth in the RMLI.

Kezia's son fits very well apart from this.

I don't really know where to go from here.    Sue

Hi Sue,
I am really sorry that I keep harping on about this- but where is the proof that George, the son of Kezia and William is in Lancashire in 1861.
Am I missing something that is really obvious? Confused again  Roll Eyes
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 18:22 UTC (UK) »

I have checked Genuki and Biddulph was originally Congleton:

Biddulph STS 1837 1893 Congleton
Biddulph STS 1893 1974 Leek

Now Staffordshire Moorlands.
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 18:55 UTC (UK) »

Does this mean he could have been born in Biddulph - I certainly didn't check that although I do remember being advised that Congleton was on the border and I did check Congleton Edge and somewhere else just over the border that I am sad to say I can't remember!

I will have to look at the census again for George (William and Kezia's son) because I can't remember the details other than that he was married (can't remember wife's name) and living in Lancashire in 1861.   My George was in the Marines and in Portsmouth by then.

Will try to look this up again and let you know.

Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #50 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 20:16 UTC (UK) »

Sue,

Checking the coverage it suggests that the Biddulph births are still be with Congleton for that period. I assume that this is because marriages are held in a single book for a church and can be moved between Registration Districts.

As the births are still still held in Cheshire, a birth in Biddulph would be in the GRO as Congleton and appear on the Cheshire BMD site.

Deryck


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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #51 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 20:26 UTC (UK) »

Hello Sue and Deryck,

Please don't go through census info re 1861 George. I just have a bee in my bonnet about people making trees without definite sources and evidence.
I just felt that as George (Manchester)  isn't followed up in later censuses in that tree, the tree maker had just plucked him out of the 1861 census and made him the son of Kezia. I may be totally unjust here and they have sourced it.. I don't know"

For example, in two trees, there is Myrtle T Foster  born 1920 Edmonton, London- parents William Foster and Lizzie Georgina Bright with a death in 1994, Southampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts, USA.
This is misleading to others.

As regards Biddulph/Congleton - I think as he sticks with Congleton that is the area to concentrate on.

Kath
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #52 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:07 UTC (UK) »

Hello Sue and Deryck,

Please don't go through census info re 1861 George. I just have a bee in my bonnet about people making trees without definite sources and evidence.


Here's something else for your bonnet Grin

You mentioned looking for Keziah, well there are a couple of trees.

But this one is the most interesting. In 1861 she is in Stoke.

Marriage is under Kezia Foster in freebmd.

Deryck

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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #53 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:10 UTC (UK) »

I have tracked Keziah through the censuses - she marries Mr Hall and raises his child (from Congleton) and has several others. Never again does she have any Foster/Forster connections  Sad
I was hoping to find her with a grandchild perhaps but sadly no. Cry
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #54 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:22 UTC (UK) »

I have tracked Keziah through the censuses - she marries Mr Hall and raises his child (from Congleton) and has several others. Never again does she have any Foster/Forster connections  Sad
I was hoping to find her with a grandchild perhaps but sadly no. Cry

I should have known you would have Smiley
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:24 UTC (UK) »

Dog with a bone comes to mind  Grin.. and you're not much different - I keep hoping that you will turn up a little gem in all your digging and delving  Cheesy

I just feel so uneasy at the moment about that George- but there are others Georges who might fit so...

Oh dear  Roll Eyes
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #56 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:32 UTC (UK) »

Hello Sue and Deryck,

Please don't go through census info re 1861 George. I just have a bee in my bonnet about people making trees without definite sources and evidence.
I just felt that as George (Manchester)  isn't followed up in later censuses in that tree, the tree maker had just plucked him out of the 1861 census and made him the son of Kezia. I may be totally unjust here and they have sourced it.. I don't know"

For example, in two trees, there is Myrtle T Foster  born 1920 Edmonton, London- parents William Foster and Lizzie Georgina Bright with a death in 1994, Southampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts, USA.
This is misleading to others.

As regards Biddulph/Congleton - I think as he sticks with Congleton that is the area to concentrate on.

Kath

The Southampton, Hampshire, Massachusetts entries on other trees may be because the entry on my tree has been copied and they haven't completed the entry with Hants UK - then this happens.   I have noticed it myself and find it irritating.  Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #57 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 21:35 UTC (UK) »

Yes Sue,
this is what happens I think. Then someone else comes along and reads it and even copies the false one and then the trees become meaningless.
That is extreme re England/USA and would perhaps be easily spotted  Wink
Kath


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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #58 on: Thursday 11 June 09 16:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

I think there is something wrong with my E-mail - not sure what - is says permantly that there are 2 messages and there are not and the cursur "shudders"!!! (I know how it feels!)

Please don't give up on me Roll Eyes - I have just found a lot of Fosters in Congleton in a tree called David Hambleton - haven't had a chance to look properly but I have been into Cheshire BMD and got all the George Foster's and Forsters that I can for Congleton from 1840 - 1846 incl.
 Also been into Cheshire Bishops Transcrips and Parish Registers - nil really - can't quite understand it and not even sure Astbury is on there.   I wonder if it is complete?    Is Knuzden near Astbury - it rings a "bell" and I have found a George Foster born there.

I am going on holiday for 2 weeks on Sunday - I am so sorry - you have been so helpful ...........Please, please, don't go away - I will be back in 2 weeks!!! Roll Eyes

Sue Grin
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #59 on: Thursday 11 June 09 18:07 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue,

have a lovely holiday and a nice rest!!  Grin
I will try to get to Manchester next week to look for that George Foster marriage from the 1861 site.
If his father is William - then he is probably in the right tree with mother Keziah.
If not then at least we know that he is not Keziah's son and ... well.. I don't know what  Huh

Kath  Cheesy
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