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Topic: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next (Read 1928 times)
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Dean1
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Thanks Kath.
At the end of our holiday we are visiting Austwitch (can't even spell it) - don't know what that will be like! Sue 
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AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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deryckjohn
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Hi Kath,
Looks like a good match, I see that his daughter is Lo(u)is. They had a son John who looks to have doen the same.
Deryck
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deryckjohn
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Hi Kath,
I wasn't very clear was I.  John and Lois Forster had a son John who did the same.
Deryck
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Dean1
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My daughter went last year and said it is so moving and sad and a strange feeling really.
It will be an experience I am sure.
Austwitch certainly was an experience - it was even gloomy and raining when we were there ................. and no, the birds don't sing there at all. Everyone was very quiet after our visit.
I still can't think of words to describe it.
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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no you weren't that clear but I think I know what you mean... "did the same" .. what  (do you mean occupation?)  I think Sue now needs to contact Cheshire Records Office re the records for Astbury. Hi all, I agree that I need to look at Cheshires Records BUT don't live near and also because his dob is undoubtedly incorrect (the year anyway - and the date may be his baptism rather than birth) I will have to request from 1840 - 1846!  The website for Astbury Church I have seen before and wondered whether to "go for it" but again, without the correct date of birth it will be difficult - an expensive. In theory he should be in the normal "after 1837" records - he maybe one who did not get registered by his parents I suspect. I did, however, from the Cheshire BMD site make a list of all George Foster's born between 1840 and 1846 - just before I went away. There are quite a few but it is an area of Cheshire not just congleton or Astbury but am going to try and find them on BMD on anc.co. I am going to the National Archives in early January - I may have got it wrong but I suspect that the BMD records may well now be there - would I find records for Cheshire there? I was panicking somewhat at this end because my anc.co registration is about to end (perhaps there is some way of looking up when it finishes - it was given to me by anc.co themselves and I can't remember when) which means I will not have access any longer - not going to rejoin sadly - and will no longer have that pathway to follow!  Thank you all for all of your help. Sue PS I definitely agree about George not being born in Manchester. Kezia's son was in Manchester in 1861 and my George is on the Portsmouth Barracks census for 1861. |
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« Last Edit: Thursday 02 July 09 17:14 UTC (UK) by Dean1 »
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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Just in case everyone thinks I have gone truly mad - I am not sure at all how I managed to reply in total blue above as a "quote". Apologies.
Sue 
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
AREAS: Lancashire, Chingford, Epping, Gt Baddow,Essex, Alverstoke, Petersfield, Hampshire, Timberscombe, Somerset, Catfield, Kings Lynn, Swaffham, Norfolk, Hampshire, London, Brighton, Sussex, Cheshire (Wybunbury, Audlem)
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Dean1
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Hi,
Will hopefully remember about "quotes"! (memory not in the best state I am sad to say).
I am not sure now exactly what I have done - isn't that sad!
Something has crossed my mind today - now back into ancestry.co (it had logged me out and I hadn't noticed).
In the family history there is a story that George Foster's son, William (one of the oldest GC holders) was born at sea. Well, he wasn't. He was born at Forton Barracks in 1880 - his father left the RMLI in 1881! I am given to understand that if a birth takes place outside the bounderies of Portsmouth Harbour it is an overseas birth. If the ship has entered the harbour it is a British birth. Well, neither occured in William Foster's case, despite the rumours he was born at sea - he most definitely was not because a) his birth cert (which I have) says he was born in Forton Barracks and b) even if his family (mum and dad) - prevaricated he was most definitely not born at sea because I have George Foster's military record and he was not at sea towards the end of his military service, he was in Portsmouth, England ............. he most certainly did serve overseas in Mexico, Ireland and the African Gold Coast where he got the Ashanti Medal and Typhoid!
I have always heard that William Foster was born "at sea" and assumed that it was expedient to register him as born in Portsmouth rather than at sea but .............. I just wonder if it was George Foster born 11.10.1840 who was born at sea - don't know much about his father (nothing in fact other than his name was William and he was supposed to be an engineer but so was George who described himself as an engineer prior to RMLI enlistment on his paperwork when he enlisted) I just wonder if it was George who was born at sea! The Foster family and the Rowland family (George married Mary Ann Rowland b 1849 SA because her father William Rowland was serving out there in the 78th foot) and I really do suspect that George's father was military. I have tried to search for military census, especially Newcastle under Lyne where George "joined up", but not a lot of success BUT I do know the Rowland family and the Foster family were close before marriages took place and in (I think) 1851 (possibly 1861) I found Henry Rowland (Mary Ann Rowland who married George Foster (1840's wife's uncle) was Superintendent of Barracks in Ashton-under-Lyne. This, I think is Manchester area and George signed on in Cheshire, Newcastle Under Lyne (am I totally confused about this since I am suspecting he (George) was born in barracks somewhere [I understand it was infra dig to be born in "barracks" in those days and it is possible it was not mentioned]). I am not sure what is going on here but I strongly suspect that George, as in the case of his wife Mary Ann (who was born in Cape of Good Hope, SA in 1848/9) was born overseas to a military family. I just can't prove it and don't know how to do so. My grandfather, his son, was also very much military minded and I believe one of George (1840) children was killed in WWI but also cannot prove it. What a mess!!!
This family is a total mystery to me and believe it not there is possibly someone still alive who may be able to help me but she is approaching 80 and I cannot get a response to her phone and feel I shouldn't persist.
I don't even have a dob for George Foster's father, William Foster (although I suspect around possibly 1816 or earlier, so have not the slightest clue how to start looking for him. I do know, however, that the Rowlands came from Gt. Baddow in Essex (Mary Ann's father did and so did most of the Rowlands who were Tailors) and the Fosters possibly originated from Epping in Essex.
How on earth do I proceed!!!!!
A very confused Sue
Manchester George is, I am absolutely sure not mine. Mine is on the 1861 census in Portsmouth in the RMLI born in Congleton, Cheshire!!! He is on, if you look at it, by initials only (GF - this was normal for barracks but it does say born 1840 Congleton, Cheshire!)
I did find a George Foster on anc.co aged 18 born about 1843 who was a lodger who was born in Australia and a British Citizen who was living in the civil parish of Wellclose, Whitechapel St. Mark, Middlesex England - he was living as a lodger.
I am not at all sure about the above - in fact George was in the RMLI by Jan 1861 so unless something is seriously amiss, it cannot be him
I wonder if George committed an offence and was deported and returned by working his passage - how difficult would that be to trace!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sue
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BREWER, BALDWIN, CRONSHAW, DEAN, FOSTER, BRIGHT, ROWLAND, SEWARD, CADMAN
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Dean1
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Hi, Yes I do agree that there is no relationship with the Manchester George - mainly because he is in Manchester in 1861 and my George is in Portsmouth in 1861 on the census in the Navy.
I agree that his very detailed version of himself would not be so detailed if he did not have that "past" - I mean the exact dob i.e. 11.10.1840 and Astbury, Congleton, Cheshire. I also agree that he may have prevaricated if he had no father - I gather this is not at all unusual. George Foster 1840 described himself on his military paperwork as an engineer before he joined the Navy. His father is also described as an Engineer on his son's Wedding Cert in 1868.
I DO have George 1840s military paperwork - apart from telling me he has "dark" skin it doesn't tell me much except the above. The dark skin is interesting because although I do not have dark skin I have the most decidedly Affro hair which has been a source of great amusement to friends all of my life!!!!
I am going to the NA in early January and will have a look to see if there is a William Foster with Military records who was born around 1816 (I suspect this would be the time). However, I also know that this is, apart from the Cheshire mention, very much an Epping, Essex (or Gt. Baddow) family.
I do hope I leave better clues for my children/grandchildren/great grandchildren or whatever! George 1840 is becoming a decided pain in the butt! Never mind, he WAS my G Grandfather and he did serve his country.
Sue
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