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madabout
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 17:34 UTC (UK) »

Hi Sue

I would look at the 1851 census with the name George, dob & birth place. See if anyone matches.

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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 18:24 UTC (UK) »

Hi Pat,

At the risk of sounding "thick" -how does one look at a census and put a name in - when I looked at the Congleton Census with all its villages (and there were many) I just looked from logging on to Astbury, Congleton and in included Congleton Edge.   I had no idea you could do it any other way.    Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 18:53 UTC (UK) »

Not sure if this is clutching at straws but ...

1851 HO107; Piece: 2167; Folio: 283; Page: 33

Smagg (?) Street Congleton

Kesia Forster head widow 29 yrs Silk b Staffordshire
G F son 6 yrs b Whetstones Edge Cheshire
E F daur 4 yrs b -do-
Sarah Brown grandmother 72 yrs b Staffordshire

gives a Staffordshire/Cheshire connection

There is a marriage -Congleton 1844 Kesiah Bayley and William Forster are possibles.
Death 1850 William Foster Congleton

Lots of Fosters/Forsters but if these fit - they are a better fit than others.
The only thing is that George's birth is wrong but that death is an 1844 birth .. I think.

Trying to find her in later censuses to see what transpires.
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 18:57 UTC (UK) »

Hi,

Have actually had a very good look at Kezia and at one time thought it was a distinct possibility - Iria gave me this lead.   However, the family have a tree on Anc.co and I am almost positive this is not my George.   What can I say. 

Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 19:01 UTC (UK) »

AAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

I thought that it had a bit of credence  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 19:39 UTC (UK) »

This George Foster is a real so and so!

Interestingly, on his military paperwork, although photos were not available in 1860 for recruits, they gave a description of the person.   His is:

Hair:   Dark Brown
Eyes:  Dark Brown
Skin:   Dark

I realise this may be just sun=tanned because he led an "out of doors" life BUT I just wonder.   I have to say no one else in the family has my type of hair etc.

This intrigues me because although I am European (throughout my life people have asked me where my origins are i.e. middle east, cyprus, "mixed race" etc.,) I actually have (or did have until it went gray) very dark Afro hair.   OK nature has its accidents but I am intrigued!!!!!!

Sue
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 19:45 UTC (UK) »

Now Sue - you are not an accident of nature... you are designed beautifully  Grin
But funnily enough I know what you mean! Lots of my father's family from Ireland were very dark hair and tanned .. some quite exotic  Cheesy (Well I like to think that anyway!)

I have looked at the tree and decided to just leave it! I had just decided to go back when this message arrived!

The tree is following Kesiah Bailey and George, I think, is just a bit part in it. Now 1851 has him born 1844 (ish) and yet 1861 has him (according to tree) as 20 yrs - 1841 ish but he is born Congleton and married. He is not in the tree after that.
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 20:10 UTC (UK) »

Righto - this isn't proving anything I think:

The George who is in the tree from 1861 as George b Congleton is in Manchester from 1861-1881 (at least). His year of birth varies between 1840 and 1842 in those censuses.  (In 1841 census George,son of Kesia is 6 yrs).
He has several children - none are named William or Keziah.

Don't know what to do though!
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 21:22 UTC (UK) »

I now remember, the George who was Kezia's son was married and living in Lancashire (no children) at the time my George was joining the RMLI.

I suspect my George Foster is younger than he says.   I can't find a birth that is relevant on BMD etc but I reckon he was born after 1840.   Have looked at his wedding cert again today and ok, it was a celebration and he may not have been accurate but he says on that cert that he is 24 and his year of marriage is 1868.   This does make him born in 1844.   That long ago he presumably may not have had paperwork for his birth and would have been relying on what he was told about his birth.    His baptism may have been 1844 and that is when he was told he was born.

Becaust George was a career serviceman it crossed my mind that his father, William,  may have been also and he may have been born "in barracks" somewhere.   I have looked and have been unable to find any barracks to look at the 1841 census in Newcastle under Lyne. 

Interestingly, one of his later wife's relatives (and I believe this family was friendly/connected prior to that marriage) was superintendent of barracks in Ashton under lyne (which I understand is not in the same area).   It had crossed my mind that his wife's family originating from Essex (Gt Baddow) and George's family probably originating from Essex that this may have been a connection.

There is one other odd twist about the Foster story.   My aunt Myrtle Teresa Bachelor (nee Foster) married a Tom Bachelor - as far as I know he came from London but am not sure and I know nothing else about him except that he committed suicide.  I don't know the timescale BUT they both (Myrtle and Tom) went off to farm in Wales and got into tremendous financial difficulties and were really on the breadline.   They thought they had been left money from a "Foster farm" (I always thought in Cheshire but now think Essex) and went to see ?a solicitor.  There was no legacy and Tom Bachelor shot himself on a train in a London station I am told because they were absolutely broke - I can't find a record of his death - I don't know when he died but I would have thought the Foster Will he was after would have been interesting.   However, I have no idea quite where it would have been.   There is, of course, no one left to tell me!   I have tried to check newspapers on anc.co for that time but first of all can't really work out how to use that particular set up and secondly I have no real idea of the timescale I am looking at.   Myrtle was born, I believe, about 1918 and I have no idea when she married and I can't find a record of it.
There is no real hint that they had children although a photo I have, from the body language, suggests there may have been grandchildren but totally unable to confirm this.

I remain bewildered and confused sadly.

Sue Shocked

One thing I do know is that if Myrtle's husband shot himself in a London station and he was coming from Essex, it would have been either Liverpool Street or Fenchurch Street.    I wonder how to follow that up? Cool
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 21:24 UTC (UK) »


There is a marriage -Congleton 1844 Kesiah Bayley and William Forster are possibles.
Death 1850 William Foster Congleton

Lots of Fosters/Forsters but if these fit - they are a better fit than others.
The only thing is that George's birth is wrong but that death is an 1844 birth .. I think.

Trying to find her in later censuses to see what transpires.

Cheshire BMD has the ages of the deaths

1848 FORSTER   William   31   Congleton
1850 FOSTER   William   5   Congleton

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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 21:28 UTC (UK) »

I too am lost and confused!!

I have my reservations that the George in Manchester is Keziah's son.

I know Keziah has a son b 1844 and that George exists in Manchester but the Tree doesn't have him after 1861 - I think from memory that the tree maker is perhaps descended from another marriage of Keziah and so therefore George would be incidental.

Thanks Deryck- just seen that in between my posting. So the 1850 was possibly a son  Undecided
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 05:28 UTC (UK) »

Sorry Sue, I should have explained what I meant better.
If you can get some one to have a look at the complete 1851 census on a paid site, they can fill in a 1st name leave surname blank, fill in year of birth & place of birth. It should then come up with a list of names & hopefully one that fitd in with your chap.
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 05:38 UTC (UK) »

hi

there is a birth registered for Myrtle T Foster mother's maiden name Bright 1920 in Edmonton which covers Cheshunt; East Tottenham; Edmonton; Enfield; Hampstead; Hornsey; Pymmes Park, Southgate; Tottenham; Waltham Abbey; West Tottenham; Wood Green

would this be your Myrtle
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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 05:47 UTC (UK) »

Sue

the London Gazette is searchable online, might have the shooting on there.

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Re: Audlem/Wrenbury - where do I go next
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 08:03 UTC (UK) »

I can't find him in 1861, where does it say he was born?

The apart from Attely, which is difficult to decipher, he seems to think Congleton/Astbury is where he was born. Assuming Kesia married William Forster, the G with Kesia, would seem to be a good candidate. Whetstone Edge is just a couple of miles east of Astbury.


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