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Topic: John Taylor born 1790 in Brough - did he finish up in Lancashire? (Read 1380 times)
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Maggie.
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There is a possibility that my gtx3 grandfather, John TAYLOR could have been born in Brough, Westmorland on 1st Feb 1790 to parents John TAYLOR and Agnes (nee WHITTINGTON). IF, this is the correct John Taylor, then by 1821 he was in Goodshaw, Haslingden, Lancashire, where his son Edmund was born. This son Edmund was married on 4th September 1843 at Bolton le Moors, Lancashire, his father was indeed called John Taylor and his occupation is given as Manufacturer. There are so many John Taylors that looking for this family is not easy.
I have a great deal of IGI information on these Westmorland Taylors, and the reason there is a lot of it is because a sister of John b. 1790, Agnes born 1787 in Pooley, Barton, was the mother of a John TAYLOR, who became the 3rd President of the Church of the Latter Day Saints. It is further complicated because this Agnes Taylor married a James Taylor but I have more or less disproved that my own Taylors can be connected to this James. Our family have known of a possible connection with this man since 1930 when my grandmother and her brother were contacted by missionaries of the LDS and told that the research on John Taylor the 3rd President had revealed she and her brother were apparently the closest ‘cousins’ on this side of the Atlantic (Accrington, England), but despite lots of contact with the LDS in Salt Lake City and submitters of his records to the IGI I have been unable to find the connection.
On and off I have been trying for years to get to the bottom of this mystery but with not a lot of success. If anybody feels they may like to help me in trying to find this Taylor connection I would be delighted to share what information I have gathered. The connection MUST be there somewhere because in 1974, I remember accompanying my father, on invitation, to a plaque unveiling ceremony at the birthplace of John Taylor, 3rd President, at Bridge End Farm, Stainton, Westmorland. In those days I had little interest in family history and now all the people that may have been able to throw some light on it all are long gone  .
I have posted on the Lancashire board as well and linked it to here.
And this is the Lancahire link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=331403.new
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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dotty
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Have you tried emailing The Armitt Museum at Ambleside?The library archives department may have some records.I found them very good when I dealt with them.
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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire This information is Crown Copyright,from www.natiionalarchives.gov.uk |
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Maggie.
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No I haven't, Dotty, but thanks for this info. I have G***led them and got an email address.
Many thanks,
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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Hi Andrea,
Thank you so much for your suggestions. I have been digging away at this family for a number of years now and I have wondered whether there would be a will but never managed to find anything. I have looked at the a2a site in the past but will look again to make sure I haven't missed anything. It is not easy to find the correct one with so many John Taylors, particularly in East Lancs. I have various candidates for the correct John Taylor in the 1841 census for Lancashire, but apart from one, where the county of birth is not readable, they are all born in Lancashire, which rules them out for having moved down from Westmorland.
Although his father is stated as a 'Manufacturer' on his son Edmund's marriage certificate in 1843, I am not convinced at all that they were affluent. I asked the question on RootsChat some time ago and apparently the word can mean many things, from owning and running a manufacturing business to making, ie. manufacturing something within your own home, as a weaver would. Also Edmund did not sign his own name on his marriage certificate so there are no signs of much education. I have checked all the John Taylors in the Haslingden area who are listed in the trade directores as being Manufacturers to see if any had a son called Edmund - none did  .
To follow up a suggestion made by Dotty - I have been in touch with a very helpful person at the Armitt Museum in Ambleside who did a basic search, which didn't turn up anything. They gave me some helpful suggestions as to where to try next though.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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I have resurrected this thread because yesterday I started a thread on the Photographic board asking if anyone could spot a family likeness and the thread has generated quite a bit of interest but developed away from the photographs and into family research, so it is better that I link it to here. This is the thread:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370002.0.html
I thought I would post this. I found this handwitten 'tree' amongst my father's cousin's stuff after she had died. (The lady was a daughter of Man C in the Photographic thread). The tree got me interested in family research as I wanted to know who all the people were. Prior to me finding it, I knew a bit about the John Taylor connection but I had never taken much interest as I was much younger and with a growing family to fill my time. Once I saw it though I wanted to know everything.
John the Mormon is far right and he appears to be a brother of Edmund, my gt.gt. grandfather. This is incorrect, but obviously the compiler of the tree had been told that there was a connection on that side of the family.
I have not shown the bottom of the tree as it involves my living family.
Maggie
(Edited: I've increased size of tree to make it easier to read - some of the added comments are good social history!)
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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purplekat
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Hi Maggie
Just posting here so that I can see any updates in the replies to your posts area
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Maggie.
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Welcome Jean  ,
There is a link above to a post on the Lancashire board on the same subject - difficult when you have a Westmorland person possibly (hopefully) moving to East Lancs.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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Time for a bit of an update
As I mentioned in one of the other threads connected to this one, I recently contacted all the IGI submitters of information on John Taylor, 3rd Pres of LDS Church, who were called 'Badger' in the hope that someone may have info. on the connection between my Lancashire Taylors and the Westmorland Taylors who were the family of John Taylor, 3rd Pres. I have had one reply from a most helpful 'Badger', who is a brother of one of the missionaries who in 1930, signed the book I have inherited on the 'Life of John Taylor'. He has been to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City on my behalf, to see if they could throw any light on the situation. Unfortunately they have been unable to find an answer and can only suggest to continue what I am already doing ie. trace Edmund Taylor's genealogy back several generations.
My own feeling is that any connection is through an earlier generation than John, the father of Edmund.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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purplekat
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Hi Maggie
Thanks for the up date, although your still on the trail how lovely to have a reply from such a close relative to one of the missionaries.
Looks like you'll have to get your spade for more digging though! Good luck, whatever happens it's still a great story to pass on to future generations.
Jean
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Maggie.
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Hi Jean,
Yes, it was so kind of the relative to make enquiries for me, even though there were no definitive answers. For now I am concentrating on padding out what I know of the family in the 19th C in the hope that some clue may reveal itself.
Thank you for your good wishes.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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purplekat
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Remember to let us know if you should have a breakthrough in the future
Regards
Jean
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retep808
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Hello Maggie
It is interesting to read of your possible connection to John TAYLOR (the 3rd president).
Ruth BARKER, a younger sister of my 6x great grandmother (Susannah BARKER) married a John TAYLOR in Killington, Westmorland in 1717. It appears likely that their son Christopher TAYLOR (chr. 1722 Killington) married Elizabeth RICHARDSON (nee SEWART) in Old Hutton in 1749. Christopher & Elizabeth had at least 7 children - including a John and Ruth (the names of Christopher's parents) and an Adam (the name of Christopher's brother and maternal grandfather). Later generations returned to Killington for a period.
Presumably you are aware that Christopher & Elizabeth's son John is claimed by most related material on the web to be the John who married Agnes WHITTINGTON and therefore the possible father of your John TAYLOR of Haslingden.
As yet, I have been unable to establish this connection and suspect that it may be incorrect. I know that John TAYLOR's marriage to Agnes WHITTINGTON in Sedbergh in 1780 was his second marriage.
As an aside - Jane NICHOLSON (nee NELSON), the sister of my 6x great grandfather John NELSON, lived for a short period at Bridge End in Stainton.
Regards
Peter
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Maggie.
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Hi Peter,
Thanks so much for making contact and with such interesting information. I need a bit of time to go through my files to refresh my memory as it is a while since I looked at this family. I will get back to you later with a fuller reply.
Also, a warm welcome to RootsChat from me
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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