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Topic: Margaret SUTHERLAND again (Read 1204 times)
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MgtShaw
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Sometime ago I was trying to trace Margaret Sutherland - my Austrain cousin
has come up with the following
Margrette Sutherland b 1799(only child) m to Thomas Nixon
her parents were Alexander Sutherland b 1770and
Margaret Budge also b 1770
Any help with confirmation and the place where they lived , date of marriage,
or even their parents would be very much appreciated.
Thanks again,
Mgtshaw
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Arranroots
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Hi Mgtshaw
Did you put this on the county board for Sutherland because that is where she lived, as well as being her surname?
Is it possible to go back to your cousin and ask her for more information about her sources?
Where have you looked - have you tried Scotland's People for example?
Kind regards, Arranroots 
Edit: answering my own question, I see you have a couple of earlier threads on this lady
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,318242.msg1990336.html#msg1990336
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,316092.msg1970780.html#msg1970780
No evidence so far which county she's from, unless there's something you haven't mentioned?
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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daval57
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Not having read previous threads Arranroots, can I just jump in and say (and this is purely from memory) I know both these surnames from Caithness.
I'm off to kip now but will revisit this, and the other links, later.
Dave
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------------------- FORREST (Glasgow, Stirlingshire, Dunbartonshire) BORTHWICK (Midlothian) ROONEY (Glasgow and Co Down, Co Antrim) ANDERSON (Moray, Caithness, Glasgow) FORTUNE (East Lothian) BARKER (Midlothian / East Lothian) SIVES / SIBBES and variations (East Lothian) ROCHEAD /ROCHEID and variations (Dunbartonshire) OR VISIT MY SITE FOR MORE NAMES http://daval57.tribalpages.com/ |
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daval57
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I don't feel in the least bit tired yet so looked over the other posts.
As you said Arranroots, apart from the surname, there is no obvious link to Sutherland.
I will re-iterate my gut reaction though, about Budge / Sutherland connection in Caithness.
However, I'm loathe to spend time or pennies on SP until I'm sure I'm not duplicating efforts made by MgtShaw, Gadget, yourself or others.
Dave
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------------------- FORREST (Glasgow, Stirlingshire, Dunbartonshire) BORTHWICK (Midlothian) ROONEY (Glasgow and Co Down, Co Antrim) ANDERSON (Moray, Caithness, Glasgow) FORTUNE (East Lothian) BARKER (Midlothian / East Lothian) SIVES / SIBBES and variations (East Lothian) ROCHEAD /ROCHEID and variations (Dunbartonshire) OR VISIT MY SITE FOR MORE NAMES http://daval57.tribalpages.com/ |
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Gadget
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Hi again 
Dave PMed me the link to this thread - it seems that I have been involved in both the previous ones
The IGI (extracted) does have a record of a Margaret Sutherland baptised 6 January 1797, Halkirk, Caithness to Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Budge. No other children are showing for this couple.
It might be her. As I said before she could have been born anywhere.
What information does your cousin have to link her to these parents?
Regards
Gadget
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daval57
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Thanks for joining in Gadget.
I'm sure you saw the point in my PMing you.
I've got a Sutherland in my tree in Caithness. She came from Morayshire though, born 1794.
However, not that it helps much at the moment, I'm sure it is in my Caithness research that I came across Sutherland / Budge. I've not got it anywhere on my PC but I've been going through my, very disorganised, paper records. So far with no luck.
I think this thread should be shifted tho', if MgtShaw agrees or accepts the judgement of the mod.. That's where you were going too Arranroots, wasn't it?
Dave (forever tactless)
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------------------- FORREST (Glasgow, Stirlingshire, Dunbartonshire) BORTHWICK (Midlothian) ROONEY (Glasgow and Co Down, Co Antrim) ANDERSON (Moray, Caithness, Glasgow) FORTUNE (East Lothian) BARKER (Midlothian / East Lothian) SIVES / SIBBES and variations (East Lothian) ROCHEAD /ROCHEID and variations (Dunbartonshire) OR VISIT MY SITE FOR MORE NAMES http://daval57.tribalpages.com/ |
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Arranroots
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Morning Dave & Gadget & Mgt
My intention was (a) to see whether any progress had been made since the earlier enquiries (b) to make others aware of the earlier threads, to avoid duplication and (c) possibly to move the thread to the relevant county board if that could be established.
It seems to me that a person called Sutherland would usually get that name because their ancestors had left the area - which was probably long generations ago!
If we can determine where Mgt has her info from and whether it can be sourced from documents, then we can hope to help, maybe?
Kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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Gadget
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Hi again
Summary of known info from the other threads :
Marriage - Thomas Nixon and Margaret Sutherland, 24 March 1823, St Dunstan, Stepney, London
Known children in birth order from the 1841 Census:
Thomas b. 1824 b. either Ireland or Middlesex (a baptism found for him Bishopsgate, 1824)
Robert c. 1827 b. 1824
Alexander c.1829
Georgana c.1831
James c.1834
Alfred c.1836
Margaret c. 1839
Other children b. Northamptonshire
It is possible, if they were using a variation of the traditional naming conventions, that Margaret's father was a Robert or Alexander - but no proof as yet 
It also might be worth ordering in the St Dunstan, Stepney film via an LDS Family History Centre to see if there is any more info on the actual marriage entry.
As AR says, we need the source of the information about her parents before we can really progress any further.
Regards
Gadget
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MgtShaw
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Hi Gadget, AR & Dave,
Many thanks for the advice and help, I have emailed my cousin and hopefully he will give me more info on where he found his information.
Hopefully, will be here in a few days,
Many thanks again, Margaret
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aspin
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I too have a Margaret Sutherland born 1791 Helmsdale Sutherland
died 1876 at Gartymore
She married a James Gordon he was born 1788 and died 1876 at Gartymore
Just popping in before I go off to bed
Elizabeth
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,South Shields.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns ,Scotland.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland.and Starks Berwick.Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth
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MgtShaw
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Hi Elizabeth,
Thanks for information, but I don 't think its the right one
I hadn't realised how many Margaret Sutherlands there are/were
its as common as Jones or Evans here in Wales.
I've tried at least 6 hot matches in genesreunited, so thanks anyway.
Margaret
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aspin
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No Bother Margaret
Elizabeth
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,South Shields.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns ,Scotland.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland.and Starks Berwick.Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth
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MgtShaw
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Hi Everyone, sorry that I have taken so long replying - been waiting for an answer from Australia and hopfully it will be below - if I can do it!!
One question I wanted to answer is "I picked Sutherland simply because of the name" I know next to nothing about Scotland - sorry. it seems to have worked, below is the answer I received.
"Sorry for the delay.I found our "new" cousin on Ancestry.co.uk on the trees link where she was looking for the Nixon Line.She had also got to Thomas Nixon marrying Margaret ? in London in 1823.I had another look at the Census results and found one spelling of Margarett.I entered that into Ancestry .co.uk and immediately got to her parents'details and her birth details in 1799 at Watten in Caithness.The
only problem is that there is a second family with the same names, but slightly different dates ,living in Halkirk, Caithness,about 5 miles away.
However the family view chart for Margarett seems to confirm the
Watten family are ours.I hope this helps,I will send on some copies of these bits of information soon."
Hope this helps in our search, with many many thanks,
Margaret
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Arranroots
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I'm confused!
Are you saying that the cousin is basing the surname SUTHERLAND on the spelling of Margarett with two Ts?? Surely not?
Is there other corroborating evidence?
Kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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