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Topic: 1886 Marriage/Brewery Buildings/Bishopbriggs (Read 1422 times)
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Hi Rodeo,
I have found her in the 1891 at Eagle Brewery Bishop Briggs, Cadder Western District, Lanarkshire,
Mary Kerr 38 b 1853 Lochgilphead, Argyllshire - Head - Living on private means, and she has 2 boarders living with her.
Tom
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Hi Rodeo,
In the 1901 census, I think I may have found her at a different address,
34 Main Street, Cadder Western District, Lanarkshire
Mary Kerr 48 b 1853 Kilmichael, Argyleshire - Head -
Occupation: Master M?? Wife
She has 2 people staying with her, one is he 5 yo neice Margaret Inglis.
Tom
PS Kilmichael Glassary is a village near Lochgilphead, see the map on following link,
http://www.british-towns.net/sc/level_4_display.asp?GetL3=16415#LocalWebs
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Rodeo
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Hi Tom
So the address is the Eagle Brewery after all. I couldn't find her at all in Bishopbriggs in the 1891 census. Yes, that is definitely the Mary Kerr I was looking for because her sister, Catherine McVicar, was also born in Lochilpead, Argyllshire.
How did you find her? If she is the head of household, then her husband must have passed away. I'll have another look.
Thanks so much for your help, Tom. You're a star.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Rodeo,
Note the mistrancription Bishop Briggs. I only searched with Mary Kerr and keyword Brewery in Ancestry and got it immediately. The McVicar story is complicated,
Found a Mary McVicar and a Christina (Not Catherine) McVicar , sisters to different parents (not Donald and Anne), in 1871 census, at Achintibert . Something to work on may not be correct family.
Mary McVicar 17 b 1854 Kilmichael, Argyllshire Occ: - Farmers Daughter
Christina McVicar 11 b 1860 Kilmichael, Argyllshire -Scholar
other family are with them.
Father's Name: Archd
Mother's Name: Janet
Tom
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Well spotted indeed Tom - I'd never have thought to split it into two words!
I found another Mary Kerr in the 1881 Cencus 
Aged 58, this Mary was the wife of John Kerr, House Painter and she was born at Auchinairn which is just along the road from Bishopbriggs.
In in earlier post you said that the parents were Donald and Anne (nee McIntyre) - not Archibald and Janet - or am I getting mixed up?
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Rodeo
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Hi Tom
The Mary Kerr you found in the 1891 census is the correct one. The Mary McVicar and sister, Christina, are not the same family unless Donald had a brother named Archibald. As far as I know, the McVicars I''m looking for all hail from Lochilphead.
I agree with Anne -- well spotted and well done.
Many thanks, Tom.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Rodeo,
I searched for children of Donald McVicar and Anne McIntyre and it returnd 2 results, Catherine and Janet, but Catherine is shown as birth date 28 Jan 1855, which is the first year of official registration and this is worth downloading from SP, you will get all details of family born parents wedding dates etc.
Tom
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Hi Rodeo,
I went back to start and looked for a marriage between William Paterson and Catherine McVicar, and I could not get a result. Have you got a date for the marraige?
I also went back to check on IGI and none there either.
Tom
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Rodeo
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Hi Tom
William Paterson, age 34. and Catherine McVicar, age 30, were married on 11 June 1886 according to the forms of the UP Church.
I'll have a look at Catherine McVicar's 1855 birth certificate.
Thanks again, Tom.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Rodeo
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Hi Tom
I just thought I'd let you know that the reason I couldn't find Catherine McVicar's birth certificate on SP is because her forename was transcribed as 'Cathrine'. Also, on Catherine's birth certificate, her mother's name is cited as Nancy McIntyre (although she must have been known as Ann).
Cheers,
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Hi Rodeo,
On the 1855 birth certificate, did it give details of other siblings to Catherine? Was Mary mentioned? Did it confirm marriage of parents?
Tom
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Rodeo
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Hi Tom
I apologise for the delay in responding to your posts but, as I think you may have already surmised, I'm in another time zone here in Australia.
No, that 1855 birth certificate for Catherine McVicar, surprisingly, doesn't give details of her siblings, as you thought. Thus, Mary wasn't mentioned. It merely states that there are '3 girls living, 1 girl deceased.'
No, it doesn't record the date of her parents' marriage (which I have documented as having taken place in Glassary, Argyllshire, in 1847) but Donald's birthplace is cited as Lochgair and Nancy's (or Ann's) birthplace is cited as Skipness. According to my research, Donald was born 20 October 1822 in Glassary, the parish in which Lochgair is located, to Neil McVicar and Jane Leitch. I had Ann McIntyre's birth details as 20 February 1825, Skipness, and her parents as Angus McIntyre and Katherine Taylor, but those details may be wrong if she was actually named Nancy at birth.
I should add that, according to Catherine McVicar's birth certificate, her mother Nancy (or Ann) is illiterate and her 'X' mark (as signature) is witnessed by Colin Campbell and James Campbell. I have no clue who these Campbells are.
You can understand what a problem I've had with these McVicars, particularly as I can't find any of them on the census extracts.
All the best,
Rodeo
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MonicaLesl
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Hi All
One of the problems sometimes with researching in Scotland is the how interchangeable some names were. Ann for example, as you have already found Rodeo, was a variant with Nancy, it was also a variant with Agnes, see www.whatsinaname.net. I think this may be mother with daughters in 1861:
Agnes McVicar 36, Mariners Wife, b. Skipness Argyll
Janet McVicar 11, b. Lochgoilphead, Argyll
Mary McVicar 7, b. Lochgoilphead, Argyll
Catherine McVicar 5, b. Lochgoilphead, Argyll
Address: 7 Kempock Pl Back H, Inverkip, Renfrewshire
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Rodeo
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Hi Monica
Bravo! Well done! Yes, they appear to be the McVicars for whom I've been searching. It never occurred to me to look for Ann Mcintyre as Agnes. Actually, Agnes is a recurrrent forename in my family and, needless to say, they all had nicknames -- but not one was called Ann. Thanks so much for pointing that out. It's extremely useful information indeed.
I wonder, though, for the purpose of finding her birth certificate, if Catherine McVicar's mother was christened Nancy, Agnes or Ann. I found a birth for an Ann Macintyre (rather than McIntyre) that I believe is the correct one.
Many thanks again, Monica.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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MonicaLesl
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There is an entry in 1871 for a Catherine McVicar, 16, b. Lochgilphead, Argyllshire working as an agricultural servant at the Ferwood household in Little Kilmery, Rothesay Bute.
In 1881 with Agnes mother's age mis-transcribed:
Agnes McVicar 34, head, b. Argylshire, Skipness
Cathrine McVicar 25, daughter, servant b. Argyleshire, Lochgilphead
Address: 60 Castlebank Street, Partick Lanarkshire
There is a death showing on SP for an Agnes McVicar/McIntyre, aged 56, in Partick in 1885 likely to be the mother.
Not seeing any obvious deaths for father Donald on SP. Agnes shows as 'mariner's wife' in 1861 which implies he is still alive (the original image for this entry would show marital status for her).
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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