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Topic: Re: Search for ancestors births in Ireland (Read 1619 times)
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billbir
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I am trying to find where my gg grandparents came from in Ireland but am not sure that I have enough information.
The names involved are Hugh Connor (1881 census says 90!!, but Durham death certificate says 66). He died at Tudhoe, Co. Durham in July 1881). His wife is another problem as her maiden name appears as two different ones on two of the childrens birth certificate. As she could not write, the person writing the census must have just written, based on the phonetics. It came out as Mary McInnerny.
They had 4 children:- Margaret born about 1846
John b 1850
William (my g grandfather) b 1857
Thomas b 1859
They must have moved from Ireland for Hugh to get work in the Durham mines. I would love to know where they came from. As anyone any suggestions?
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aghadowey
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Unfortunately civil registration of births in Ireland began in 1864 which is too late for this family. Civil registration of Catholic marriages began in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages) so am not sure if you will be able to get a marriage certificate either.
Have you traced the parents and all the children in all possible English census records to see if any of them have listed any county of birth in Ireland?
To search for the family in Ireland you really need to know where they lived (parish if not actual townland not just the county).
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billbir
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aghadowey
You are confirming my worst fears. To my knowledge, only the two parents came from Ireland, but that is all it said on the Census. No location in Ireland. I also sent for the burial records of Hugh Connor, but that was written in Latin.
I am trying to trace back to living relatives of this family to see whether anyone can remember where they came from, but am finding this difficult, but I will keep trying.
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billbir
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Sorry, forget my previous post! I have just received this info. which might help. I use Find My Past for census info. but they do not yet have 1851. I have now received a copy of the 1851 census, which shows them both coming from Louth. Is this any use?
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aghadowey
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It's certainly a start and better than just 'Ireland.' Will get back to you shortly.
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shanew147
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There's a few Hugh Connor parish record details on line at the pay-per-view site Irish Roots - could not find anything close to McInnerny yet.
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1825 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1828 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1833 Co. Louth
Church Marriage Connor Hugh 1840 Co. Louth
Shane
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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billbir
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shanew147
Thanks for looking, however as Mary was born (according to the census) in 1828 and Hugh's latest date of birth was 1815, then only 1840 would be feasible for Hugh and none of those dates for Mary, as she would be too young.
Another variation on Mary's surname was Macnany. This is one of my problems, not knowing what her real surname was, as she could only 'mark' the census.
I know that they were registered as born in Louth per the 1851 census, but do not know when they were married or where specifically, they were born, in Louth.
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shanew147
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A search of Co. Louth births lists - a Birth of a Michael McInally in 1821, he is the only birth with that surname spelling.
other 'McN' names include
MacNamee / MacNally / MacNullugh /MacNeil
McNally / McNeany / McNeil / McNemara
McNillow / McNillu / McNiece / McNieve
McNillan / McNillon
McNolty / McNolton
McNulty / McNulti
dont know if any of that helps - but it might give some names to think about....
Shane.
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Wilson : Cambridgeshire [Chatteris], Yorkshire [Leeds], Dublin & Australia [Sydney/NSW] | Fitzsimon : Bray, Co. Wicklow & South Co. Dublin
Hayes, Shepherd, Bickerdike, Render, Harper : Yorkshire | Doyle, Dillon, Cantwell, Roach, Clarke : Co. Wicklow
Cathcart, Wilson : Kings Co./Offaly, Dublin City & N. Ireland | Hodges : Bristol, Glos./Bray Co. Wicklow/Dublin City | Nevin : Cork
Sheridan : Dublin City | Kavanagh, Rooney, Clarke, Hughes, May, Monks : North Co. Dublin [Rush/Thomastown]
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billbir
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shanew147
Thanks for the name suggestion, MacNamee and McNeany, sound the most likely.
Thanks for taking an interest.
Bill
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billbir
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I now believe that I have an update on the above. I think that my gg grandmother Mary was a McEnaney. Therefore I am looking for a Hugh Connor born about 1815 and Mary McEnaney born about 1828, both from Louth. They settled in Co. Durham and had their first child Margaret in c1846. Other children were:-John, William and Thomas. I suspect that their marriage was around 1844/5 though I do not know whether they were married in Ireland and then migrated, or whether they travelled to Co. Durham met and then got married.
If anyone can help, I will be extremely grateful, as I am desperately trying to find their birthplace in Louth.
bill
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billbir
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A further update is that if I have the correct Death Certificate Hugh Connor died in Tudhoe, Spennymoor Co. Durham in 1881. His age was stated as 66. This puts his date of birth as c1815. Mary Connor nee McEneny??) died in 1887 aged 67, which puts her date of birth as 1820.
Is it likely that an Irish couple would marry first in Ireland and then migrate to England? If so then there must be a marriage certificate for them, which would confirm their age and also Hugh's and Mary's father. Based on a birth of 1820 for Mary, then the earliest marriage could be 1836. They were definitely living in England by 1851 as they appear on that census along with the two children by then, Margaret born c1846 and John born 1850, both born in England. This would narrow the marriage down to between 1836 and 1845.
Does anyone have access to Irish (probably Louth) marriage records, that could help me?
Any assistance will be much appreciated.
Bill
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HugoBeauchamp
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Hi Bill
I have just had a quick look at the IFHF site at
http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes
and found the following based on your info.........
Marriages 1840 [/b] (+/- 4 Years)
Surname First Name Year County
Connor Hugh 1840 Co. Louth Cooley
McNeany Mary 1838 Co. Louth, Dundalk
McEneny Mary 1839 Co. Louth, Tallanstown
McNany Mary 1840 Co. Louth, Haggardstown
McEneny Mary 1841 Co. Louth, Ardee
McEneany Mary 1842 Co. Louth, Louth
Baptisms - 1815 (+/- 4 Years)
Surname First Name Year County
Connor Hugh 1813 Co. Louth, Kilsaran
Connor Hugh 1814 Co. Louth, Dunleer
Baptisms - 1820 (+/- 4 Years)
McEneny Mary 1820 Co. Louth, Haggardstown
McEneany Mary 1821 Co. Louth, Kilsaran
You may wish to have a go at extending the period on either side of the base search dates.
Are you sure what religion and are you still convinced about Co Louth?
Best of luck
HB
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Magee/McGee - Drogheda, Co Louth & Dublin
McNally/McAnally - Drogheda, Co Louth
Russell - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
Hyland - Mitchelstown, Co Cork
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billbir
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Hugo
Thanks for your response. I had been to the Online Louth Library and obtained the same sort of information as yourself. I have speculatively viewed one marriage cert. for Hugh and one for Mary costing me 10 Euros but without success.
The Louth connection is based on the English census of 1851 which shows Hugh and Mary being 36 and 27 respectively, coming from Louth, Ireland.
Unfortunately the ages in subsequent census, fluctuate wildly, with 1881 having Hugh as 90!!. His death certificate in 1881 shows his age as 66, which would confirm the 1851 age as correct.
Regarding the religion, I am sure that they were RC as Hugh's burial was at St Charles RC Church, Tudhoe, Spennymoor, Co. Durham and the paperwork, I obtained was in Latin.
Regards
Bill
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