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Topic: Threats from shhhhhhh you know who (Read 1947 times)
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Heather DD
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As with anything we purchase these days if there is a sales or licence agreement with the product it should be read before the purchase is made, and once having bought the product you then proceed to breach the licence why would you be suprised if the company follows through on the threats made in the agreement !!!
peterbennett
Trouble is, the other day I decided to try and find out what the deal was. I placed a census set in my shopping basket and proceeded to check out. I got right to the point where you are invited to input card details and press the "make payment" button without seeing any kind of license agreemnt. This agreement is apparently attached to the actual product.
Another site I use ( a Family History society) has made it impossible to purchase online without clearly ticking the box saying you agree to terms and conditions. Perhaps S&N should look at a similar scenario?
Have to make it clear I have no problems with the company and totally agree that splitting sets for re-sale, copying and selling lookups are all highly unethical practices 
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trystan
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I must "declare an interest" in this subject first:
We show a S&N free advert (GenealogySupplies) on RootsChat (not that they asked for it) - they very kindly gave £50 voucher to our thousandth member - (read it here). They were also going to help us with a contest we were going to run at Christmas with some brilliant and very generous prizes (unfortunately I didn't get my act together in time to run the competition). They were more than happy to help RootsChat, and did not demand any publicity for their company in return - lovely people.  Anyhow back to my post:
I have to agree with Nigel at S&N,
I used to work for a software house some years back, for a very specialised piece of software for naturally a very defined market. They went to great pains and to great lengths to protect their software from piracy and to police the license agreement that our customers had to agree to. If they hadn't had done, then we would have been job losses, and ultimately the business would not have been viable, then the software would be gone forever.
This is similar to S&N. A very specific market.
Their license agreement specifies that split packs cannot be sold on. It's the same if you buy a "multipack" of say Cola from a supermarket - it will say on each can, "Part of Multipack - not for resale". If then, let's say they were tipped off that a take away was then re-selling these cans individually to customers then you'd expect the Cola company to take action, and for Trading Standards to be involved.
The person that is doing the wrong in the person who has ignored the "Part of Multipack - not for resale", not the company who has created the "multipack agreement".
S&N offer a huge resource to the family historian, and long may they continue. They are getting damaged by the minority making easy profit from their work, and ultimately we risk losing the service they provide.
Trystan
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tabitha
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This might be a dumb question...but I'm going to ask anyway!! 
Re S&N CD sets .......because of the terms & conditions it is illegal to split and re-sell them, so... how would you stand if they were exchanged for no profit? 
So, if I owned a full set of CDs of which say 8 CDs were useless in my research, could I "give" a fellow researcher those 8 CDs in exchange for maybe another 8 CDs or a book etc?
tabitha
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sandn
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None of the UK companies involved in publishing census on CD are making millions!
The money we make is ploughed into indexing and further microfilm.
Whoever provides the information, be it government, individuals, societies or companies they will want to recover the costs involved.
Anyone can publish the census, the process is simple enough.
What I did was to cash in an endowment that should have repaid the mortgage and use that to buy a £40,000 film scanner. I set this up in my garage and ordered the 1891 microfilm for London. The CD pressing plant then required £60,000 equity stake against my home before they would press the CDs. You will also need a licence from The National Archives.
This was a high risk venture that is open to anyone brave or stupid enough to make.
If anyone wants to make money I would suggest putting corporate microfilm records onto CD is more lucrative.
If you think the records should all be free why not put your house on the line and invest all your time and money into publishing the census but just not charge for the CDs. 
More realistically use your energy to campaign to the government or join one of the free transcription projects.
Nigel (S&N)
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