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Topic: Thomas and Margaret Smith (Read 1430 times)
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Gadget
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There is a death record for a Mary Lawrie, aged 72, Hawick in 1876. Other name is Lyon. This could be the Mary m. Robert Lawrie.
Death cert can be obtained from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk as before. This should give her parents' names.
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Gadget
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arti ~
Do you know where Thomas might have been in 1911.I do have access to the full census of Canada and I'm trying to work out which District/County of Ontario he would have been in.
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hume
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Gadget, I think I've found the Smith family in 1881. It explains why Thomas' birth wasn't showing!  Looks like the Smiths might have came from a military background.
Also think I've found Isabella (nee Morrison)'s death ... died 1911, parents given as Daniel Morrison, labourer and Janet m.s. Kavin (?)
Address: 2 Heronhill Terrace, Hawick, Roxburghshire
John James Smith, m, head, 49, woollen hand loom weaver, b. Malta
Isabella ", f, wife, 43, -, b. Kirkcown, Wigtownshire
Janet ", f, dau., woollen power loom weaver, b. Dumfries
Mary Ann ", f, dau., bobbin machine tender, b. Sedgefield, Durham, England
Thomas ", m, son, 11, scholar, b. Sedgefield, Durham, England
Caroline ", f, dau., 10, scholar, b. Dumfries
Esther ", f, dau., 6, scholar, b. Hawick
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Gadget
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Oh that's good, hume 
Sedgefield - not far from me.
On the marriage cert, it gives John as a spirit merchant - did he change or was it a slip up by Thomas 
Also, was Isabella a widow in 1911?
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PS - found that Rainy River was a district ajacent to Minnesota
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hume
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Isabella was a widow. Found John James' death. He died 1908 aged 74 in Melrose. Parents given as John James Smith, sergeant in Royal Artillery, and Elizabeth Smith m.s. Oswald. Death registered by son Thomas. So did he come back for his father's death or did he not leave until after this date?
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Gadget
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John James Smith died 12 May 1908 aged 74. Still a hand loom weaver
Parents - John Smith - surgeon, Royal Artillary and Elizabeth m.s. Oswald. Both deceased
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Oops - thats 12 credits for SP
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Gadget
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Just wondering about this - Thomas gives his address on his marriage cert as Bridge Street, Linwood, Renfrewshire and father definitely a spirit dealer -
there were at least two marriages of a John Smith and Isabella Morrison that I can recall
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hume
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Hmmm, look who I found in 1901! Looks like John did have a change of occupation. 
Address: 1 Bridge Street, Linwood, Renfrewshire
John J Smith, m, head, 67, publican, b. Malta
Isabella ", f, wife, 61, publican's wife, b. Circowan (?), Wigtownshire
Mary Ann ", f, dau., 30, barmaid, b. England
Thomas ", m, son, 28, pub ... dealer(?), b. England
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Gadget
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Oooh - that's good, hume - well done
So he was a 'publican 1901 and probably 1902 when they married. I think you've got the right family
So - we have:
Isabella Morrison b. c. 1840, Wigtown. Parents - Daniel Morrison and Janet Kavin (?)
John James Smith, b. c. 1834, Malta. Parents - John Smith and Elizabeth Oswald
I'll go offline again and leave you to it
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Added - looks like the 1857 Dumfries marriage is the best bet
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Just found a John James Smith birth, Malta 1833 - GRO Army Chaplains Birth Index, page 15.
Not sure how you get page 15
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hume
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Fantastic, Gadget.
Think I might have found John and mother in 1851. Image is quite bad so guessing at points!!
Address: Dumfries
Elizabeth Smith, f, head, wid., 50, woolpicker, b. Malta
John ", m, son, sin., 17, ?, b. York, Hull 
Catherine ?, f, lodger, sin., ? (woollen), b. Lochmaben
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Think this is a poss for John James family on the 1841 - Holderness, Yorkshire
Citadel Barracks, Hull
HO107/1231 Bk 14 Folio 2 Page 1
John Smith, 40, ? R Arty, b. Scotland - looks like subaltern - subaltern
Elizabeth, 40, servant ? , not b. County
John James, 8, not born county
Mary Ann, ? months, born county - looks like 1/2 - maybe 6 months then
It's very difficult to read what it says - will have to enlarge it more
Have made amendments in purple
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hume
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Hmm, seems to definitely be a Malta birthplace for John. Poss. Hull for Elizabeth.
Address: Cherrytrees Hamlet, Dumfries
John J Smith, m, head, 27, attendant C.R. inst (?), b. Malta (British subj.)
Isabella ", f, wife, 23, woollen weaver, b. Wigtown
Elizabeth ", f, dau., 4, -, b. Dumfries
John J ", m, son, 2, -, b. Dumfries
Janet ", f, dau., 10 months, -, b. Dumfries
Elizabeth ", f, mother, 60, head's mother, b. England
Can't see anything for Elizabeth's death.
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Gadget
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Is that the 1861?
Seems that John James's father was b. Scotland and mother England - I'll have a look at the WO section on the Nat Archives site but ? John Smith - must be millions  
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