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Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« on: Thursday 09 October 08 16:56 BST (UK) »

I just came across a website called Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837 at http://www.derbyshiremarriageindex.co.uk which purports to offer look ups of marriages at various parishes in Derbyshire.

This would be of great interest for me for one, however, the contact form page says "Please complete this form to send us an email with marriages that you would like researched from this index ", but there is no form and I don't see any email address anywhere.

Does anyone know anything about this?

Alan
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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 October 08 17:37 BST (UK) »

The website was constructed by these people ...

http://www.mrsite.com/contact.asp

see if they will pass on your query to their client ?
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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 October 08 22:28 BST (UK) »

Hello Allan,

There are some Phillimore Transcripts for Derbyshire on the following site:-

http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Derbyshire/index.html

Scroll down page for list of towns, click on town if there is a Phillimore transcript
available it appears in blue as a sub heading.

Hope this is of some help.
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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #3 on: Friday 10 October 08 05:32 BST (UK) »

Dear spendlove and Newf,

Thank you very much for your replies. As regards, the website indicated, i.e. http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Derbyshire/index.html, there only apear to be census returns for the places I am particularly interested in (Lullington and Coton-in-the Elms). It looks like I cannot avoid a trip to the Derbyshire records office, unless they offer lookups!

Alan
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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 10:13 BST (UK) »

http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/pd65/dby/kelly/cotonintheelms.htm

COTON-IN-THE-ELMS

Lullington, Derbyshire

SYLVIA
The Andrews Pages : Coton in the Elms, Derbyshire :

BRIDES AND GROOMS Searched for http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sherwoodoutlaw/derbyshiremarriageindex.htm
old site slight difficulty getting on
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I CAN CHECK NAMES IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO TRY


http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DBY/Derby/

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 June 09 11:07 BST (UK) »

Thanks Sylvia(?) for this information.

I'm afraid http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/terrace/pd65/dby/kelly/cotonintheelms.htm is not the right period and I can't access http://homepage.ntlworld.com/sherwoodoutlaw/derbyshiremarriageindex.htm.

I have an ancestor, Martin Farnell born in Coton-in-the-elms abt 1750 who married Frances Mathews of Edingale, Staffordshire. She seems to have been born in 1771 and their daughter Phoebe was born about 1796, so I suppose they must have been married between about 1789 and 1796. I suppose this might have been in Lullington, since there was no church in Coton-in-the-elms in this period. I believe Martin was high sheriff of Derbyshire in 1789 (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Sheriff_of_Derbyshire.)

I am still hoping to get to Matlock records office to check this out, unless of course you (or someone out there) have access to some of these records. That would be great as I'm not in England and it's hard to get there!

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 15:05 BST (UK) »

Hi Alan

I spotted your post and wondered if you had seen this will which is available through the PRO
(don't know where they got Oxfordshire from though Sutton Coldfield is definitely in Warwickshire  Cheesy)


Online Document PROB 11/1584
Will of Martin Farnell Gentleman Sutton Coldfield , Oxfordshire . Will of Martin Farnell Gentleman Sutton Coldfield , Oxfordshire Date: 1816.

Have you checked this one at all?  I notice the Martin Farnell who lived at one time at Coton-in-the-Elms was buried in 1823 in Clifton Campville (aged 67),  so I was wondering if this will was for the same person or if there was another Martin Farnell around at the time.      Undecided

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 16:26 BST (UK) »

Hi DebbieG,

Thank you very much for this information. No, I had not seen this will, although I did recently discover another document suggesting that Martin Farnell became bankrupt in the early 1800's. It seems as though some information has come online fairly recently. This might be his will, since his daughter married Thomas Rochford from Sutton Coldfield, so he might have moved there also.

Can you tell me where you found the record for the death of Martin Farnell in Clifton Campville in 1823? Perhaps there were two Martin Farnell's? Family sources indicate that "my" Martin Farnell died around 1815, which seems to tie in with this will. I have so far found very little information on him, so it is very difficult to tell. I only know that he was some kind of squire and, therefore, assumed that it must have been him that was the high sheriff, but if there were two Martin Farnell's, that would make it more complicated.

Thank you very much for your help. I do not have the greatest experience in these matters!

Alan
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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 17:08 BST (UK) »

Hi Alan

I found a reference to a certified copy of Martins burial in the on-line A2A indexes.  If you go here and put a search in for Farnell there are several documents indexed which refer to Martin Farnell of Coton-in-the-Elms. 

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=026-d3155_2&cid=-1#-1

I am fairly sure that these all refer to the one who was sherrif and who went bankrupt (several of the documents refer to him as a bankrupt),  however as he appears to have died in 1823 - I checked the entry in the National Burial index and it gave his age as 67,  in Clifton Campville I am not sure that he is 'your' Martin Farnell,  though I do think the 1816 will is for your man,  given the connection with Sutton Coldfield.

I hope that makes sense  Smiley

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 10 June 09 17:36 BST (UK) »

Hi DebbieG,

Thanks for enlightening me. In my ignorance, I was not familiar with the National Burial index. You learn things all the time. I think I understand what you mean. Thanks again.

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #10 on: Friday 12 June 09 14:03 BST (UK) »

Many thanks to all those who helped me with this, particularly DebbieG and Spendlove.

I had previously thought that Martin Farnell Esq. from Coton-in-the-elms (abt 1750-1815), who is the object of this search, and his wife Frances Matthews had one daughter, Phoebe.

However, it appears from his will that Phoebe was Frances' daughter from a previous marriage. This is stated in one place and, in another place, he refers to Phoebe as his adopted daughter. I supposed this would mean that Matthews was probably the surname of Frances' first husband and that Phoebe was born as Phoebe Matthews. Based on this, (bingo) I found her on the IGI christened on 9 May 1796 at Lullington, Derbyshire, mother Frances Matthews.

This is probably not new to most people on Rootschat, but it shows that one has to look at all sorts of documents to find the information one is searching for.

What I'm wondering now is is whether such an adoption would have been an official thing in those days or not?

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Re: Sue Brown's Derbyshire Marriage Index 1538-1837
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 13 June 09 07:10 BST (UK) »

I wouldn't think the adoption would official - as in no paper work for it,  it would just happen when the mother remarried. 

I am pleased that the will proved useful,  can I ask if it mentioned any other of Martins relatives?  I am interested as certain property in the village where I live was owned by the Farnell family at that time - members of the Ashby-de-la-Zouch branch and I am wondering where the Sutton Coldfield lot fit in.

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