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Maccahc
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Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« on: Saturday 11 October 08 20:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi I have found my great grandmothers sisters birth on the IGI it say Belfast Area no.4, does anyone know what this means and what area it pertains to?
Thanks.


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 October 08 00:46 UTC (UK) »

hi,i've usually seen these listed as "urban district" then followed by whatever the number is.i've been looking on the web to see what area of land these districts cover but haven't found anything yet so i'm interested to see if anyone else comes up with an answer.
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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 October 08 12:44 UTC (UK) »

Hopefully the following link will help explain:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,161093.0.html


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 October 08 17:06 UTC (UK) »

Hi.
No 4 district is in the Donegal Road area of Belfast. It may take in part of the lower end of the Lisburn Road as well.
Windsor Park football ground is in No 4, so if you use it as a target on the Google Earth website, it should take you to the area. That area of Belfast has not been redeveloped to-date, so if you have a street name it should still be there.
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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 October 08 19:40 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the replies, I will look into it.


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 October 08 15:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi Maccahc.
Thought I had better up-date the info I gave you before.
Checking what I posted before, I have found out that No 4 straddles the Donegal Road, which makes the info I gave a bit out. At the city end of the Donegal Rd., the area from Roden St., to Shaftesbury Square has been redeveloped on that side of the road. The redevelopment takes in Sandy Row. If the address turns out to be in that area it will be long gone.
Have you an idea of the street name ?, and I'll see if it still exists. If you post the surnames you are looking, someone might be able to fill in the info you require.
You could try the 1912 Ulster Covenant on the PRONI website. They, or their relatives, may have signed it.
Regards,
Dixie


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 October 08 19:59 UTC (UK) »

Hi the IGI reference was for my greatgrandmothers sister Susanna Mcguigan, who was according to the reference, born on 16 July 1873 in Area no.4 Belfast, the link on the IGI reference no. is broken so was not much help..

I dont have any address and was trying to find out more about the family and where they lived as my request for a search for her parents marraige certificate that of John Mcguigan and Sarah Morgan on 20 March 1871 via GRO at Roscommon proved fruitless (they searched 1870-72) even though I have that date of marraige from my greatgrandmothers birth entry on Scotlands people where she was born in Glasgow, Jane Mcguigan in 1879.

I live in Glasgow and have never been to Belfast so have no local knowledge whatsoever.
I really should go one day as I seem to have family lines beginning in every county in Ulster bar Tyrone to date and would probably have to spend a month in the PRONI/GRONI offices!!

I am hoping to narrow down an address or area so I can get more accurate info to order certs etc. otherwise I may find that difficult. John Mcguigans parents were an Edward Mcguigan and a Jane Brown who may still be around at the time and Sarah Morgans parents were James and Isabella ( I have no maiden name for Isabella as yet).

Thanks again for any help.


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 14 October 08 12:00 UTC (UK) »

Hi.
I found this marriage.
John McGuigan married Jane Brown, on the 17 June 1845, in Drumbeg Church of Ireland, Parish of Drumbeg. Marriage registered in Lisburn.
It may not relate to your McGuigans.
Perhaps someone else will have more info.

Regards,
Dixie


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 October 08 13:44 UTC (UK) »

Thanks Dixie, I will look into that one too as the Edward Mcguigan is obviously information given on the death entry on scotlands people for John Mcguigan, my great great grandfather who died in Glasgow in 1879, by his wife Sarah Morgan.
I know from experience that wifes and siblings or children did not always get parents names right in these entries.


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 04:03 UTC (UK) »

Just having a read of this post and checked on the Ulster website, AncestryIreland.com - found a marriage for a Sarah MORGAN in 1869 - father shown as James- but no corresponding marriage for a John McGuigan

There are 2 John McGuigan's marrying in Antrim - both with a father called Edward - one in 1872 , the other in 1877

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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 14:29 UTC (UK) »

Thanks kiwi, I have had a look at the site but not sure its worth signing up for, the marraiges in 1869 or 1872 may have possibilities, certainly 1869 would be outwith the date range the GRO searched but is quite a bit out from the date given on my great grandmothers birth entry which I imagine was given by her parents.
I need to find out which RC parishes are in area 4 at the time to help narrow down a possible church or church record. I am assuming they married in RC as my great grandmother was RC, that however is a dangerous presumption on my part and has proven wrong on searching other family lines but I have to start narrowing this one down to make the search more effective.
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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 20:51 UTC (UK) »

Hi Maccahc.
Try Belfast Family History website at,
www.belfastfamilyhistory.com
A number of McGuigans in the 1901 /1911 census returns on it, in No 4 and local to it. You might pick up something from it.
Dixie


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 20:55 UTC (UK) »

Another topic here:
Topic: Urban districts Belfast
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,298063.0.html

You can find this topic and the one mentioned by scotmum under Urban numbers in the
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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 29 October 08 23:19 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for the replies that help me clarify the area.
I have had a look at the google maps and many of these streets still exist. I note St Peters rc cathedral was completed around 1860`s and of current rc churches would certainly be the nearest to this area.
Would anyone be able to tell me if thats a good starting point at St Peters? or were there other rc churches they would more likely have married in....presuming that it was an RC marraige (which I will go on until eliminated or otherwise).
Thanks again.


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Re: Belfast Area no.4 on the IGI
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 February 09 14:27 UTC (UK) »

Thanks again for replies on this subject. Just a wee update, I eventually got the marraige from IFHF and this confirmed they married on 6th march 1872 in St Peters rc cathedral, Sarahs father is John not James Morgan and the Morgans were helpfully mentioned as coming from Ballinderry, Co Antrim.

They lived in Mcdonald St which I assume is no longer existant in Belfast as I cant find it on the maps and this may help others looking for streets encopmpassed by Area no. 4.
I dont understand why roscommon could not find it though it may not have been registerd civilly???
Anyway next daft question, does anyone know what the rc parish in Ballinderry would have been at this time....say 1830-70, do they still exist and would the records exist anywhere?? Thanks again.


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