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pamb
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Can anyone help please I'm looking for the christening or baptism record and marriage for Enoch Cordery born Buckinghamshire c 1790. Enoch died at Burnham Buckinghamshire 21 June 1841 aged 50yrs, occupation gardener. Enoch's wife Jane was the informant. Jane's maiden name not known.
Known children of Enoch and Jane were Martha ch 3 /11/1822 at Burnham, Thomas bc 1824 at Burnham, Jane ch 28/5/1826 at Burnham and Enoch bc 1827 at Burnham.
Thank You
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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pamb
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Hello Jill
Thank you for welcome and reply.
I have been researching of my family history for some years and have managed to locate most of my families however there are a few who, for reasons best known to themselves prefer not to be discovered. So I decided to register and hopefully find them. There are a few PR for Burnham on the IGI which is how Jane and Martha surfaced in 2003, they were not there in 2002. However they appear to be limited to females. The good thing is there is still data being extracted from PRs and being added to the IGI maybe not for Bucks but for other counties, so i keep checking.
I have just applied for a search via the Buckingham family history group site. The last time I visited the site there was some sort of update or change in the process in how to order searches, as I live in Australia I would have to post a cheque or other details which I wasn't to sure about. I intended to return to the site then forgot about returning as I was sided tracked down another branch of the family. I was also a little concerned about how much it might cost to search, but you are correct the fee is most reasonable.
Enoch's wife Jane wasn't born in Buckinghamshire so it is possible that their marriage took place outside the county. I was also concerned about the blurring of the county boundaries as it appears some areas were for some part either in Berkshire or Oxford or similar.
Enoch's daughter Jane was my 3x great grandmother she married an Alexander Little also from Burnham in 1848 they then left for Australia arriving in 1849. Jane then left Alexander to live with my 3x great grandfather and along came my 2 x great grandfather.
Jane's sister Martha and brother Thomas remained in the Burnham, Hitcham, Taplow area. however their children moved further afield but not quite as far as Australia.
Just out of general interest I noticed russ in your user name. I have a Russ family from Tintinhull in Somerset that we have managed to trace back to the 1660s. Is there any chance that you maybe connected to this family ?
Thank you for your suggestion I'll let you know if the search pays off.
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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jillruss
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Hi again Pam,
My surname is actually Russell - so no connection to Russ, I'm afraid!
You'd think with a name like Enoch, he'd be reasonably easy to find but it's not always the case. I have a Bathsheba but she's another one who seems to be hiding behind a door!! 
Have you also tried Berks FHS? They have a marriage database which they'll search for you - again very reasonable. With Burnham being so close to the county border, it's quite possible Enoch & Jane may have married there. There are a few Berks parishes in that particular area which aren't very well - if at all - covered by the IGI. Ditto, Oxfordshire.
I have a few Oxon FHS CDs of the PRs for parishes near that border of all 3 counties. When I get chance I'll check out a few of them - you never know, I might just come up trumps!!
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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pamb
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Hello Jill
I had a feeling you would inform me that your name was Russell, but never less I thought it was worth mentioning my connection to the Russ family of Somerset.
Thank you for offering to check your CDs, it would be a big help. There is one thing I forgot to mention in my original email, I do have an earlier reference to an Enoch Cordery before the christening of Martha in 1822.
Very few weeks I google Enoch Cordery, can't help myself have been doing it for years. I might add he isn't the only ancestor I've googled. It has been amazing the little bits that have come to light and googling does come up trumps occasionally.
I found reference to a Enoch Cordery as a witness to the marriage of James Frewin to Ann Welson on 19 November 1819 at St Marys Church Henley Oxon, the other witness was Sarah Partridge.
I then spent a lot of time researching and tracing both parties to see if I could find a connection. I would assume this Enoch is my boy, just on name only. At the very least he would have to be connected somehow. There is a family of Cordery or sometimes Corderoy or Cordry who hail from Harpsden, Rotherfield Greys Henley area who over the years all seem to be in at Burnham, Hitcham or Taplow. One of the grandsons of William Cordery of Rotherfield Greys, John Cordery is born 1850 at Burnham he eventually moves to Norfolk, as does one of Enoch's grandsons.
I have also had contact with several of the Berkshire (Cholsey, Reading and Swallowfield) Cordery families and Bucks Cordery families (those around Stoke Poges) alas my poor Enoch he isn't claimed by these families.
I often wonder what our long gone ancestors would think if they could see us typing away, using wonderful technology spending hours searching and having one of those of my I've won the lottery moments, very time we find one of them hiding. 
Thank you again for replying to my post and your generous offer to have a look for Enoch. At least with names like Bathsheba and Enoch we should be able to safely identify them when found.
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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jillruss
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I'm not having much luck with the Oxon parishes.
Wih the connection to that marriage in Henley, I was hopeful but...nothing in Henley, Bix, Cuxham, Harpsden, Nettlebed, Rotherfield Greys, Rotherfield Peppard, Shiplake, Swyncombe or Watlington (all on one Oxon FHS CD).
This is probably totally irrelevant but I'll mention it as it's at the right time and is nearly the right name!!
In Henley PRs, there's the following baptism:
Dec 30 (born Dec1 ) 1791 Enoch CARTER s/o Jane out of wedlock.
Carter/Cordery?? Probably not, but anyway it's there for you to consider!! I checked to make sure that this Enoch hadn't died in childhood and didn't find a burial - neither could I find a subsequent marriage in Henley for either a Jane Carter or a Jane Cordery (well, there is a Jane Cordery marriage but that's not until 1806). 
Jill
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See Surname Interests Table +
Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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pamb
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Thank you Jill
I shall keep note of this record, on the off chance it is my Enoch. Can I ask who Jane Cordery 1806 married?
I have the search in Buckinghamshire under way and hope that this search produces something to work on. Enoch's occupation was that of gardener, hopefully he was an apprenticed which may also shed light on his origins.
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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pamb
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Hi Jill
Thank you again for the information on Jane Cordery.
I had found the marriages for Robt and Jos Cordery on the IGI and wondered if they could be connected to Enoch and decided yes it was highly likely as I couldn't locate earlier reference to either of them
I thought I would have a look for Bathsheba for you, I do realise you have been looking for her for a long time and have most likely searched through all records but thought a new perspective and different mind.
I note with interest that there was at Almondbury a Richard Boothroyd sometimes Butteroyd or Butheroyd who married an Elizabeth Bradley in 1782, 2 dates 11/2/1782 or 18/2/1782 at Almondbury. Both entered my an individual rather than church extract on the IGI.
I often try mother's maiden name or just a Christian name occasionally they can come up trumps. Especially if I'm looking for a slightly unusual name. I picked on this couple as they named a son Ishmael in 1798, he only lived a little while. Also because Ishmael and Benjamin are names like Bathsheba names with Hebrew origins.
Richard Boothroyd occupation was a Clothier. There are in 1790s 5 sons listed for a Richard Boothroyd and only the last to to Richard and Elizabeth together. Perhaps they moved from the West Riding after their marriage then back again then left again only to return later. I tried a general everywhere search for Bathsheba but she not about as you know.
In 1786 a little too early for your Bathsheba there is listed a Bathsheba Bradley daughter of Richard Bradley ch 31 Dec 1786 of Almondbury abode Berry Bow father's occupation Clothier, mother's name is not recorded. this full listing is from the baptisms at
www.findmypast.com
I was most amazed 15 pages (50 entries per page) of Boothroyd & variations in the West riding alone, not a single Bathsheba.
The IGI has the same child listed from extracted records and also 2 individual entries by members of the LDS Church and the mother's name is given as Ann Kinder. so perhaps this isn't a connection.
Because Bathsheba is not the average Mary or Ann, the idea formed that it could be a family name.
On the non conformist registers there is a death registered at Almondbury 17 May 1811 for a Bathsheba Booth aged 88yrs buried 16 May 1811.
Sorry I'm jumping around a little here but back to the entries on
www.findmy past.com
Not a single Bathsheba, however there is one entry that intrigued me an entry for a
Boothroyd Benaiah the child was christened 7 April 1799 child of John Boothroyd occupation Clothier chapelry Honley, place Almondbury, description All Hallows Yorkshire West riding.
This entry is not on the IGI if you have a copy on CD of this register perhaps you could look it up. You may be able to make more sense of the entry it may be just the transcription that is a little off the mark.
My apologies if you have checked these latest entries on find my past or have the Cds of the parish transcripts.
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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pamb
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Sorry Jill
I just came across another reference to Benaiah, he was a he.
sorry about that.
Thought I better had get back to you.
Pam
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Cordery of Buckinghamshire, Ingram, Mears Surrey, London of Warwickshire, Johnson St Marys Tydd Lincolnshire, Warden, Oakley of Hertfordshire, Sheelah, Bratten, Jordan Of Kent, Shearstone, Sheerston, Russ of Somersetshire, Woods of Malpas Cheshire, Davies of Malpas Cheshire, Oakes of Staffordshire, Newark, Rotherham, Dayns, Daines, Kirk, Wicks, all of Warwickshire
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jillruss
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Hi Pam,
Believe me - I'm grateful for any help when it comes to finding Bathsheba Boothroyd. I'm very grateful for your efforts.
I'd come across the 1799 Benaiah Boothroyd baptism before. I've got a few PR booklets for Almondbury from Huddersfield FHS. I can't remember now but I'm pretty sure another source gives this as a male birth.
Of course, it doesn't help that my Bathsheba is called Bathias on the 1841 Almondbury census, and Betty on the baptism entry for at least one of her children - it was probably too much of a mouthful for most parish clerks to cope with!
Unfortunately she didn't survive long enough to feature on any other censuses - she died in 1844(age at death given as 42). The death cert definetly calls her Bathsheba - as does her 1823 marriage entry in the PRs.
Another 'unfortunately' is that she and her husband only had daughters, so I can't even use possible naming patterns to try and identify her father's name and, as you rightly point out, most of the PRs for this era only give father's names.
Actually, I really can't find where I thought that the 1799 Benaiah was a male, so I'm going to take a closer look at that.
I've also tried to link the name to other possible biblical sounding Boothyoyds but never seemed to find anything, but I'll have another look at this Richard Boothroyd and Elizabeth Bradley.
I even got a copy of the actual marriage entry in the PRs from WYks Archives to see if it would give me any clues. It did - in that the marriage witnesses were John Sykes (her husband Thomas's father) and a Thos Hoyle. I thought Mr Hoyle might be a stepfather or something, but I didn't find anything!!
Oh well, once again - thanks for your help. It's always good to have a different viewpoint and you've given me a few things to think about.
One more thing, I haven't been on FindMyPast for a while now so wasn't aware that they had any parish records. Is there anywhere they tell you exactly what PRs they hold?
Just seen your latest post - just for peace of mind where did you come across the ref to Benaiah as a male?
Jill
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Major brickwalls:
John Frith mge to Fanny, Bucks? c 1798
Bathsheba Boothroyd bp W Yks c1802
John Bishop bp E Yks c1758
Joseph Symonds mg to Sarah, prob Berks c 1735-40
John Horwood mg to Martha, Berks c 1735-40
Sarah Sculler bp Berks area c 1675
Paul Phillips bp Berks/Bucks c 1720
William Newell bp Berks/Bucks/Oxon c 1765
Richard Troughton mg to Jane, Westmoreland c 1732
Mary Simon bp Shrops c.1795
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pamb
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Hello Jill
I googled Benaiah Bothroyd, 3 references came up for him. Most of which are on http://genforum.genealogy.com/boothroyd/messages/9.html
There are several people looking for Boothroyd from the Almondbury area one chap Ian Goddard seems to have a data base in development. the threads are from 2008 so still quite recent it might be helpful. 
There is also mention of gaps in the PRs but the information is in the Bishops transcripts which is why some entries are on the IGI and others not. It may help you.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/boothroyd/messages/53.html
There is also an excellent site for Honley Almondbury which includes the 1811 census it only lists the head of the house and break down of Male and Female living in the household.
http://www.honley.ukf.net/census.htm
Will take you straight to the census page, the address for the home page is
http://www.honley.uk.net/index.htm
this includes monumental inscriptions and other information, burial register I think I didn't have to much time last night to check.
I have had a good reply from BFHS , still no record of Enoch Cordery's christening, but did manage to locate a marriage for Enoch and Jane.
Enoch Cordery married Jane Flatt (wid) at Burnham 6 July 1822 by Licence witness by John Sawney and Wm Child.
Jane Flatt it would appear was the Widow of Ambrose Flatt who died at Burnham 10 Dec 1815 aged 38yrs buried Burnham St Peters.
I located a marriage in the IGI for a Ambrose Flatt to a Jane Harrison 21 Feb 1802 at Burnham. I checked another source of printed books Burnham marriage registers until 1812 and it matches.
No witnesses names are mentioned but I would assume there would be witnesses.
I have located 2 possible children of Ambrose and Jane, Ambrose Flatt b c 1801/1802, and Henry bc 1806 both at Burnham. Ambrose appears to marry twice firstly to a Elizabeth French in 1831, then again in 1836 to a Hannah Bolton but there do not appear to be any children.
Henry marries in 1838 to a Mary Quarterman looks very much like just 1 child a daughter Mary b 1838. Both are living in Middlesex by 1841.
In 1851 Henry has a nephew living with he so perhaps there was a sister. The young lad William Crook gives his birth place as Eaton Buckinghamshire c 1831.
He is a piano forte finisher and an apprentice piano forte finisher in 1851 so I may be able to track him in apprentice records.
So whilst not quite there but getting there. At least hopefully there will be a record of the marriage license that may give more clues to Enoch.
Hope the above information helps with Bathsheba.
Pam
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pamb
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Hi Jill
It is 1801, the 21 Feb 1802 is just a Pam is falling asleep at the computer typo.
I also forgot to give you the parishes for www.findmypast.com
http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/knowledge-base/parish-records/index.jsp#baptisms
once there scroll up or down for marriage and burials lists.
Don't forget you can search the indexes without paying but Bathsheba isn't there under Boothroyd + all variants.
See if you can follow through with some of the people looking for Boothroyd, one may have tucked away, especially if you have not had contact with them before.
Regarding Enoch I asked for whole county from 1788 - 1798 single person Enoch. They didn't find Enoch Sr but did find and send Enoch JR which was very good of them. the marriage I asked for years 1812 - 1825 single person search.
The surname search for 100yrs for sounds like a good idea, i might try that.
on Enoch's marriage he signed his name I forgot to mention this in the last reply.
It is from the 1841 Enoch's entry is marked born in County Yes, Jane is marked No. I find it most interesting that Jane married in Burnham in 1801. whereas in 1819 Enoch is in Oxon. Perhaps the census taker put the yes next to the wrong person.
It is getting quite late here or rather very early morning so I had better have some sleep before I make another typo.
Pam
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