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Topic: Angelina MOWER born 1829 - Bury (Read 4637 times)
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hmserge
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Thank you for that Liz 
I will have to think about getting a copy asap.
Would be great to hopefully solve the mystery of the Mowers someday soon
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lizdb
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someday - maybe
soon - dont hold your breath!
I have had family history mysteries that remain unsolved for many years. Sometimes some little snippet of info suddenly comes up - a mention in someones will, a finding on a census or parish register or other document, an inscription on a headstone - quite out of the blue and it suddenly starts gradually piecing together. Sometimes they are still unsolved after many a year.
It is a case of following up any lead, however small.
And as we have said, I think Sophia's death cert is the only lead at present!
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hmserge
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I'll let you know if I send off for a copy certificate and when it arrives
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Kay - Walton, Walton Hall, Yorkshire.....
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hmserge
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Hi J.J.
I've just noticed your reply and wanted to say thank you. Sorry I haven't replied sooner.
Sophia Mower seems to have been a mysterious woman  It looks like George Everard Mower could well be a son of Sophia.
Thanks for finding this information for me, much appreciated.
I never found a husband for Sophia, and have a feeling that she made up the names Frederick and William Mower as the 'father' of her two daughters, and with George Everard having no father's name too.............  I also never figured out why she was in London in 1845 with her 2 daughters. Very strange
Just found a Frederick Moore born 1810 Suffolk and in 1861 he is on a sea Vessel in Essex and is listed as married could be the Frederick Mower but then again maybe not
Thanks again for your time and I will look into George Everard Mower.
Best wishes
Heidi
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Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Smith - Crich/Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Walton Hall, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....
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suffolk*sue
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Catherine Sandys & Sarah Richardson,where are you?
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Heidi, did you ever get Sophias death cert as this would probably tell you whether she was wife/widow of whoever or whether she really was unmarried.
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J.J.
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Unfortunately the death cert information is given by the children or others if they aren't around, so that info may not be valid either. If all they ever heard their mother say is that she was a widow, then that's what they'll put down, true or not... If you can afford it, though, it's still is good to have it... Never know if some other info might pan out. The ladies also may indeed have had 2 different fathers, one, Frederick something, the other William something ( if they both belong to Sophia)...so far there don't seem to be any births for either of them? tough going as there are so many areas to consider looking which may never pan out! Did you look for a will?
If Sophia was born a Mower, there is a Sophia born 1785 Cockfield,Sfk...but there are also few births for St. Edmunds Bury under Mower around the turn of the century... I see there are parents John & Susan (Thaine) Mower. There is no Sophia born to them, but she may have been and used a middle name...but how to look back then if no census marriage or death available to follow them through?...
St. James/St. Edmunds was a Catholic church, I think? One had to be baptized named after a Catholic saint. So the name Susan may have only been given at birth or Christening...The name Mary is used for a lot of births/Christenings for obvious reasons, then middle names may have been used later in life. We have the same problem looking for all the Mary born in Quebec, Canada. Makes it hard to follow if the middle name isn't used.
Wish you luck with this project...Sophia's a slippery one J.J.
Mind you it just occurred to me that even now some Catholic priests refuse to baptize babies born out of wedlock, so it was probably harder back then...
George Everard Mower...wonder what happened to him? Was Sophia old enough to have him? depends on the death or the census being true age... It also brings to mind that Angelina herself was old enough to bear children, so another consideration for the stew pot. heehee, no help at all am I?
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hmserge
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Hi,
Sorry but I didn't round to getting Sophia's death certificate, but now that I'm back on the case of Sophia, I think I will 
Thanks for all your comments and research on Sophia. As far as I can remember on Angelina's birth certificate her father was Frederick Mower and on Adelaide's birth cert. it was George Mower. I think she always listed Bury St Edmunds as her birth place and around 1801 for her birth year. It makes you wonder about John and Susan Mower as parents as Adelaide was once called Susannah on the census in 1841. I wonder why her name was changed (if it was) to Adelaide? Not sure what happened to George Everard but I can't find anything for him apart from the birth.
Sophia's story sure is a mysterious and puzzling one 
But thank you both for your help and advice
Heidi
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Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Smith - Crich/Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Walton Hall, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....
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hmserge
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Hi All,
I have received the copy of Sophia's death certificate today and thought I would let you know what it says.
This still gives no details of whether she was widow etc, all it says is:
Died on 14th December 1865 at Wolsey Court, Ipswich, Sophia Mower female age 64 years. Occupation looks like Needle woman Cause of death Ch. bronchitis 14 years certified. Signature of informant was the mark of Rachel Wardley in attendance of Long Lane, Ipswich. Registered on 18th December 1865.
It is a shame that it doesn't give any further information on Sophia, but then again it's a nice document to keep
Heidi
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Serjeant/ Sergeant/ Surgun/
Ipswich, Suffolk......
Shaw - Halifax area, (Ovenden, Northowram, Brighouse), Yorkshire......
Garratt - Crich/Belper/Ambergate, Derbyshire......
Smith - Crich/Derbyshire......
Elliott - Dewsbury, Yorkshire.....
Kay - Walton, Walton Hall, Yorkshire.....
Griffiths - East Dean, Gloucestershire.....
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