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Topic: *COMPLETED* - SIMMONS/BOWEN (Read 1439 times)
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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1851 for Asterton (Norbury)
BOWEN - all b Norbury except Benj snr
Benjamin 32 ag labourer b Church Stretton
Margaret 31
Richard 10
William 6
Beatrice or Betsy 3
HO107; Piece: 1983; Folio: 292; Page: 1
1871 for Asterton
Benjamin Bowen 50 b Church Stretton - farmer of 6 acres
Maria 44 b Wistanstow
Edwin 9 b Wistanstow
John 7 b Norbury
Emma 6 ditto
Thomas 4 ditto
Robert 2 ditto
George Vicarage 16 b Wistanstow
RG10; Piece: 2732; Folio: 16; Page: 8
I think you will need a copy of Lewis's birth cert to find Margaret's maiden name as I cannot find a marriage. It could possibly be the one in June 1842 but there are 2 males and only one female name on the same page
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cassiar
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Hi Carole,
I've just ordered a copy of Benjamin's birth certificate - I queried Shropshire office and they found it.
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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CaroleW
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Hi
Have they confirmed his father was Benjamin & mother was Margaret?
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cassiar
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Yes.
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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cassiar
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Hi Carole,
I got Benjamin's birth certificate today. He was born Oct. 23, 1851 in Asterton, District of Norbury. His mother was Margarett Bowen formerly Mathews.
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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CaroleW
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Well - I think we have yet another "complication" with the Bowen family
Firstly - I now think they married pre-1837 as neither of the Benjamin Bowen marriages on freebmd matches to a Margaret Matthews/Matthews on the GRO index
The 1851 shows a son Richard Bowen aged 10 and freebmd has his birth in December qtr 1840 Clun
The family are not under Bowen on the 1841 but here is what I think is the 1841 entry
Asterton - Norbury - all surname Mathews and all born in county
Thomas 55 ag labourer
Margaret 55
Margaret 20
Edye (female and could be Edie - Edith) 4
Richard 8 months
HO107; Piece 920; Book: 17; Folio: 4; Page: 5
Benjamin was born around 1819 according to the 1851 census so would be approx 22 in 1841 which would be rounded down to age 20 giving a birthyear of approx 1821
There is a 20yr old Benjamin Bowen male servant living in the township of Great and Little Berwick?? (not sure of spelling)
and a 25 yr old Benjamin Bown (image looks like Bowen) ag labourer living in Claverley
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cassiar
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So Margaret and her two children were living with her parents in 1841 in Asterton. Now...if Margaret and Benjamin had married before 1841, would her surname not be shown as Bowen (and the childrens' as well) even if she was staying with her parents?
Maybe she was married to someone else before Benjamin?
I found a Benjamin Bowen on IGI born 17Feb1819 in Church Stretton, father is also Benjamin Bowen, mother is Jane.
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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CaroleW
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An interesting 1851 entry for Asterton
Thomas Mathews 66 b Clun ag labourer
Margaret 65 b Norbury
Adda 14 grand daughter b Norbury
HO107; Piece: 1983; Folio: 292; Page: 1
Ada/Adelaide etc - nothing on freebmd/IGI under Mathews or Bowen
She could have no connection to Benjamin and Margaret - could be the daughter of another family member
She could be Margaret's illegitimate daughter
A parish record search is needed for the marriage
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posteria
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I think that the marriage of Benjamin and Margaret might possibly be registered in the second quarter of 1842 at Shrewsbury after allowing for a mix up in the numbering. Benjamin is (uniquely) shown as 7 281 and Margaret as 18 281 and there is one missing male from this latter reference.
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cassiar
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Just found this - the IGI for Norbury has a Richard Matthews born 1840Oct01, mother Margaret Matthews, no father listed!
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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CaroleW
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Hi Posteria - I think my glasses must have been misted over when I checked the GRO index for that 1842 marriage - I stupidly only checked under Mathews and should have also checked Matthews!! I wonder why the references are different?
Hi Cassiar - re: IGI entry - no birth reg for a Richard Matthews but Richard Bowen's birth reg fits. Born in the December qtr and is 8mths old in June 1841 when the census was taken
Could be an interesting birth cert - registered as Bowen but christened as Matthews.
However - 1861 census has him as Richard Mathews aged 20 b Norbury and working as a servant in Asterton
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cassiar
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Is there a Benjamin and Jane Bowen in the 1841 census? ...the parents of Benjamin born in 1819 in Church Stretton?
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Shropshire - Simmons, Simcock, Smith, Bowen, Matthews, Handley
Herefordshire, Radnorshire, Carmathenshire - Handley, Turner, Price
Lincolnshire, Yorkshire, Cheshire - Nainby, Foster
Staffordshire - Goldsmith, Sparks, Barker
Cornwall - Mann
Northern Ireland - Gracey, Heron
Australia - Simmons, Bliss, McCrae
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CaroleW
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Re: 1841 - The only Benjamin Bowen in Shropshire who was old enough to have had a son in 1819 was b 1776 and married to Drusilla b 1791
BENJAMIN BOWEN Spouse: DRUSILLA GENNER
Marriage: 11 APR 1814 Knighton Upon Teme, Worcester,
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